mobrien
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02-29-20 02:16 AM - Post#302294
In response to Noah Friedman
Well, we get to host the Ivy tourney this year, so, despite all the injuries, we still have a chance. That chance would be a lot lower, though, if Juzang isn't able to come back. As much as I love Rio, I don't think he can sustain the kind of steady production we've gotten out of Juzang.
Tretout has definitely jumped ahead of Sakota in the pecking order. I was surprised neither of them got in during the second half tonight, but I think that was largely a function of how well Rio was playing; Tommy likes to go with the hot hand. Have to figure we'll see one or both of them play more prominent roles against Cornell.
Tretout has been very composed when he's gotten on the court, and really knows how to get to his spots. I've been impressed. We might need him to do a lot more of that than I ever would have guessed just 3 weeks ago...
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digamma
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02-29-20 08:59 AM - Post#302302
In response to rbg
Yale and Princeton have clinched spots in the Ivy Tournament. Harvard's site does not mention anything about clinching a spot, but it does seem that they can do no worse than 4th at this point.
Have they actually earned the trip back home?
I think if Penn wins tonight and we lose and then Penn and Brown sweep next week and we get swept, we lose the three team tiebreaker.
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digamma
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02-29-20 10:33 AM - Post#302311
In response to digamma
Actually my 9 year old has been playing on the Yale analytics app all morning and swears we've clinched.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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02-29-20 11:10 AM - Post#302318
In response to digamma
If we've clinched, I guess we'll see a lot of Sakota and Tretout tonight. If we haven't clinched, I guess we'll see a lot of Tretout and Sakota for the rest of the season.
It's Levien. Not only does it eat up Columbia's players, but ours as well (it's where both Aiken and Juzang went down).
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mrjames
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02-29-20 11:28 AM - Post#302319
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
There’s an esoteric discussion going on in the Twittersphere about just that... I think there’s literally one scenario where Harvard hasn’t, and it involves a 4-way tie.
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digamma
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02-29-20 11:53 AM - Post#302328
In response to mrjames
So in that case, we would clinch with any remaining:
-Harvard win
-Penn loss
-Princeton win
-Brown loss to Dartmouth?
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rbg
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02-29-20 12:34 PM - Post#302335
In response to digamma
Looking at the Luke's Tiebreak App, anytime Harvard is tied with Penn at 8-6, Harvard wins out due to the better record vs Princeton (1-1 vs 0-2).
I plugged in the 3 and 4 way scenarios mentioned above and Harvard still remains in the top 4.
Maybe I'm missing something.
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james
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02-29-20 01:08 PM - Post#302340
In response to rbg
Hey guys
I don’t know if you heard but the refs that worked the penn-Yale game were on the take.
They swallowed their whistles when penn inbounded to the corner trap 5x in a row.
we hope they can work tonight if moheegan sun is closed.
Then we hope we can sneak them into Cambridge in a week to offset Harvard’s recent dominance over Yale.
fyi
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digamma
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02-29-20 01:38 PM - Post#302344
In response to james
Don't be a jerk. There were a bunch of calls that could have gone either way and Yale got the breaks last night. Thems the breaks as they say. The league is really tight and it's fun to watch and crushing to lose.
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digamma
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02-29-20 01:39 PM - Post#302345
In response to rbg
Looking at the Luke's Tiebreak App, anytime Harvard is tied with Penn at 8-6, Harvard wins out due to the better record vs Princeton (1-1 vs 0-2).
I plugged in the 3 and 4 way scenarios mentioned above and Harvard still remains in the top 4.
Maybe I'm missing something.
I think the question mrjames and Luke are discussing on twitter is whether the 4 way tie break is programmed correctly.
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mrjames
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02-29-20 01:54 PM - Post#302347
In response to digamma
I think I’m wrong folks. The correct interpretation of the tiebreak rules, indeed, has Harvard having clinched.
I’m going to go pop the bottle of Andre that I had chilling for this occasion.
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mrjames
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02-29-20 01:56 PM - Post#302348
In response to james
I don’t think they were on the take and thought they did a good job the rest of the game. They just let the end of the game get away from them, regrettably, and gave Yale a platform to take advantage of. And, credit the Bulldogs, they took advantage.
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james
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02-29-20 02:07 PM - Post#302349
In response to mrjames
you can’t pass into a corner trap like 5x in a row. No ref worth a damn will consistently give you that call and they shouldn’t. It’s ball 101 and most refs played the game at some level and intuitively understand. At least the reasonable ones.
But hell penn did everything else well. And that is fixable esp if they do what they are capable of and get to madness where they amd the others can easily beat Yale.
So all the things about this league said on here are true.
But if you watch that last 5 mins and blame it on the refs then you are being emotional and not objective.
Steve Donahue who I respect greatly Saw the same finish and so will the game film on Monday.
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james
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02-29-20 02:13 PM - Post#302351
In response to james
I lost a state championship in high school the same way.
Up 8 inside 1.5 mins.
I missed a dunk and got bodied on it. they pressed and the trap caused us to wilt.
26 yrs later I am upset abt the result and at every reunion we discuss what pAnzies we were for not chinning the effing ball stepping through the trap or using me as middle outlet bc of my size
But penn will own it while the boards cry.
I
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rbg
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Columbia II
02-29-20 02:50 PM - Post#302355
In response to james
Looking at the Ivy League rule posted on Twitter, I am going with Team Luke and putting Harvard into the four team field.
https://twitter.com/recspecs730/status/12 337585250...
Edited by rbg on 02-29-20 02:50 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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mrjames
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Re: Columbia II
02-29-20 02:53 PM - Post#302357
In response to rbg
It was the four-team tie that was most at issue. But apparently that one would also break Harvard’s way.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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02-29-20 03:01 PM - Post#302358
In response to mrjames
Great, so for last 3 games biggest contest is who is better, Penn or Brown. We should be focused on a great finish between Yale, Princeton and Harvard with a possible 3 way tie and/or playoff at the Palestra! Ruck Fobin!
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Stuart Suss
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02-29-20 03:41 PM - Post#302365
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
HarvardDadGrad:
Wonderful post!
Please give credit to me for expressing the same thoughts one year ago.
You were a welcome participant in last year's thread.
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PennFan10
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02-29-20 04:05 PM - Post#302368
In response to Stuart Suss
Congrats Stu. You are an influencer of people!
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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02-29-20 05:49 PM - Post#302381
In response to PennFan10
Yes Stu. Agree with you wholeheartedly. Always have. Tonight’s big game should be Yale vs Princeton. No disrespect meant to Penn vs Yale.
Bassackwards
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