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Username Post: Brown        (Topic#24090)
Noah Friedman 
Freshman
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Age: 25
Reg: 01-19-20
03-03-20 04:56 PM - Post#302873    
    In response to mrjames

Why is Harvard honoring their seniors instead of on Saturday?

 
iogyhufi 
Masters Student
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Age: 27
Reg: 10-10-17
03-03-20 05:31 PM - Post#302879    
    In response to Noah Friedman

Harvard and Yale both seem to prefer not to make the H-Y game senior night for whatever reason. The last time Yale's last home game was the Harvard game, they did the same thing.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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Loc: New Jersey
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03-03-20 08:13 PM - Post#302895    
    In response to iogyhufi

That’s a surprise. I remember the seniors shutting out Brown something like 8-0 for the first 4 minutes on a Senior Day. Matt Frashilla (now a coach at Nova, I think) hit nothing but net on a 3.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-04-20 10:11 AM - Post#302944    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Henry Zhu’s Crimson article last night seems to assume that Christian Juzang has played his last game for Harvard.

Next Man Up!

 
84grad 
Junior
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Age: 64
Reg: 11-09-17
03-05-20 11:08 AM - Post#303051    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Going to be a fun weekend. Senior Night on Friday will celebrate a terrific, albeit injury-riddled, Senior Class. 2 shared titles and 1 more there for the taking for the few Seniors remaining on the court.

Amazing to go into the last weekend of the 14 game tournament with brand new question marks, but we are where we are. Brown's already beaten us at their place last year and this year, but still hoping that Sakota and Tretout can get some game time on Friday which would help on Saturday vs. the team whose name must not be mentioned. Practices must have been interesting this week as the coaches try to cobble together something approaching ball handling, especially vs. the sure to be deployed full court press. Rio, Justin and Noah all have some limitations in that area, but hoping for the best from 3 very talented players.

Assuming the team from New Haven wins on Friday (and surely there's no way they would EVER lose on the final weekend at Dartmouth) -- and we can get by Brown on Friday (certainly a real test) -- it would set up a fantastic finish to the season on Saturday. Of course, it would be even better if it was a game where one team could win the title outright (or either if the "other guys" lose on Friday while the good guys win) or Harvard could be in a position to force a one game playoff at The Cathedral (it wouldn't get any better than that -- can't even imagine what that would be like (or can I?)). Hope Brown doesn't end the excitement on Friday.

And I'll say it now in advance. I for one would rather that Harvard didn't have the tournament net to save them if they lose this weekend. And while I'd love for them to be in March Madness, my absolute first choice would be to win the regular season title. Still hoping for both, but this weekend (not Ivy Madness) will determine who gets the banner(s) as 2020 Ivy Champs.

 
palestra38 
Professor
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Reg: 11-21-04
Brown
03-05-20 11:14 AM - Post#303052    
    In response to 84grad

Assuming for the sake of argument that Harvard wins out and Yale beats Dartmouth, who has the tiebreaker for the first seed?
Ahhh, forgot about that 1 point win at Yale. So Harvard will have the first seed

 
mrjames 
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Loc: Montclair, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
Re: Brown
03-05-20 11:29 AM - Post#303054    
    In response to palestra38

Yeah, Harvard has the tiebreaker over Yale in all scenarios, since it requires beating Yale again for them to end up tied. Friday night only matters for Yale if Harvard loses (it could clinch the 1-seed there). But a win on Saturday for Yale makes Friday's result irrelevant.

 
rbg 
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03-05-20 12:11 PM - Post#303057    
    In response to mrjames

In the case of co-champs, am I correct that the #1 seed is the only team eligible to get the NIT automatic bid?

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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Loc: New Jersey
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03-05-20 12:31 PM - Post#303059    
    In response to rbg

I know it won't happen, but if Yale (2 losses), Harvard (lose to Brown, beat Yale) and Princeton (sweep) tie, I assume Harvard wins the 3 way tiebreak, or does it? Harvard and Yale would be 3-1 vs the others, while Princeton would be 1-3. Harvard would have swept Yale, but would that matter?

If it doesn't, then record vs:
Team #4 (Penn?): Harvard (1-1), Yale (1-1)
Team #5 (Brown?): Harvard (0-2 under scenario), Yale (2-0)

So, my question become whether 3 way tie where two teams share best record vs those tied reverts to (1) head to head record, or (2) record vs next best team(s)

 
digamma 
Masters Student
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Loc: Minneapolis
Reg: 11-27-11
03-05-20 01:23 PM - Post#303064    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

The tiebreaker rules are a little ambiguous on this point (they talk about determining a higher seed rather than eliminating a lower seed from consideration), but my understanding is that Princeton would be eliminated and then you would look to the two-way tie break between Harvard and Yale.

 
mrjames 
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03-05-20 02:03 PM - Post#303066    
    In response to digamma

That's correct. That's why any breaker would go to Harvard. It's more likely than not that a tiebreaker will not be needed, though the Crimson still has a good shot.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-05-20 02:18 PM - Post#303068    
    In response to mrjames

Isn't a tie like kissing your sister school?

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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Loc: New Jersey
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03-06-20 10:02 AM - Post#303202    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Two Harvard Crimson articles yesterday are revealing. The first, detailing the games this upcoming weekend, confirms that Christian Juzang will not play this weekend, and has Tommy talking about the great opportunity to involve the bench. The second, more of a weather vane, spotlights Idan Tretout and Chris Ledlum. Specifically, that article recounts how Tretout had to fight for minutes in practice behind Aiken, Juzang and Haskett, but now is a key part of this weekend and the Tournament. My speculation regarding Ledlum being highlighted on the eve of the end of the season is that we will see more of Bassey in the backcourt, opening up more minutes for Ledlum at the small forward position.

Reading between the lines of the Crimson has proved prophetic all season, for example when Juzang and Haskett were featured while we were still wondering when Bryce would be returning.

There is another article about Junior Reed Farley finally being healthy and intending to seek graduate transfer status after next year, but that article probably doesn't mean much in terms of this season because it's from the San Diego Union-Tribune.

For some reason, there isn't any recent press on Lucas Sakota. Sakota, a three-point weapon and tallish guard at 6'5", appears to have dropped below Tretout on the depth chart despite have played in the rotation during OOC.

 
Chip Bayers 
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Chip Bayers
Loc: New York
Reg: 11-21-04
03-06-20 08:53 PM - Post#303286    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Man that was some bad play to end the first half.


 
Old Bear 
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Reg: 11-23-04
03-06-20 08:55 PM - Post#303287    
    In response to Chip Bayers

H has size and talent,B has guts.

 
digamma 
Masters Student
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Loc: Minneapolis
Reg: 11-27-11
03-06-20 09:20 PM - Post#303297    
    In response to Old Bear

We have no point guard and that's a great equalizer right now. Also Harvard has a ton of guts, thanks.

 
digamma 
Masters Student
Posts: 466

Loc: Minneapolis
Reg: 11-27-11
03-06-20 09:56 PM - Post#303316    
    In response to digamma

Congrats on the win, but please take the weak guts insinuation elsewhere.

 
Old Bear 
Postdoc
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Reg: 11-23-04
03-06-20 09:58 PM - Post#303317    
    In response to digamma

Sorry, I didn’t mean H had guts, I think B wanted (and needed it ) more.

 
Noah Friedman 
Freshman
Posts: 34

Age: 25
Reg: 01-19-20
03-06-20 11:18 PM - Post#303329    
    In response to Old Bear

So any significance to tommrows game? Also what was aikien official injury? They just said ankle. I really wish he could okay any possible chance he gets back next week?

 
Tiger69 
Postdoc
Posts: 2801

Reg: 11-23-04
03-06-20 11:40 PM - Post#303333    
    In response to Noah Friedman

Well, what might have been an interesting hy matchup now means next to nothing thanks to h’s underachievers who play only when they feel like it. I don’t mean to take anything away from Brown, a good counterpoint to the Cantabs, that plays tough even when it has a talent deficit. Harvard will probably play tough tomorrow against the Elis in a game that now means nothing and again next week against P when they get IMHO an undeserved opportunity to steal the NCAA bid from Yale, this year’s clear Ivy Champ.🐅

 
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