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Username Post: Engles and Forrest        (Topic#24160)
palestra38 
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04-01-20 02:37 PM - Post#305484    
    In response to cc66

If he said he wanted to return home, I get it. But to suggest he has more of a path to a life in basketball? Granted, Joe's has an energetic new coach, but it certainly is no sure path to a pro career, even if he had the ability.

 
Chet Forte 
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04-01-20 03:04 PM - Post#305486    
    In response to palestra38

When a player with obvious talent decides to leave a program it usually relates to playing time. Since we were going nowhere this year, it strikes me as odd that Forrest was going to give up minutes to Bolster. Maybe Engles has given Pilling and Schiller an explanation for this seemingly inscrutable personnel decision, but if it were my decision I would have encouraged Forrest and stayed with him.


 
SomeGuy 
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04-01-20 03:20 PM - Post#305488    
    In response to palestra38

I read it as talking about commitment to basketball. My guess is that St. Joe’s has more of a program where everything is about basketball. No idea what the facilities, etc., are like at Columbia, but I would guess that shows it too.

As far as playing in the pros, etc., being a star at Columbia may actually be a better path than being more of a role player at St. Joe’s. It’s not like Mike Smith wasn’t going to have the chance to play professionally if he just played all 4 seasons at Columbia. However, the processes around the program are likely better, and for some guys that is preferable.

To that end, I like to get to the Palestra early and watch early warmups, etc. Obviously, it was the last game of a lost season for Columbia, and a weird time overall with everything going on in the world health-wise. However, I will say that Columbia appeared from afar to be the least organized of the Ivy teams this year, and had the least “team” concept. Smith could have been sick, getting treatment, or have his own routine, but he didn’t participate with the team at all until the final shootaround right before the tip. Forrest just sat on the Penn bench and watched for quite a while. Just a very different vibe from the Penn process, which involves everyone.

 
Bison137 
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04-01-20 04:06 PM - Post#305490    
    In response to palestra38

  • palestra38 Said:
If he said he wanted to return home, I get it. But to suggest he has more of a path to a life in basketball? Granted, Joe's has an energetic new coach, but it certainly is no sure path to a pro career, even if he had the ability.




Lange is energetic but he can't coach.




 
Bison137 
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04-01-20 04:42 PM - Post#305494    
    In response to Chet Forte

  • Chet Forte Said:
I think that it didn’t help when Bolster started getting minutes at the expense of Forrest. When you have an obvious talent who goes into a slump you stay with him. This is the same pattern that we saw with Faulds and Hanson.





I see that Forrest averaged over 28 mpg for the 11 games after he lost his starting spot, and over 29 mpg for the last three games. Those are more minutes than he averaged as a starter. So could minutes really have been a factor in his decision, especially when his playing time was likely to rise next year.




 
SomeGuy 
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04-01-20 07:39 PM - Post#305501    
    In response to Chet Forte

For the record, I don’t think Bolster ever took minutes away from Forrest. Forrest averaged about 25 minutes per game this year. In the games where Bolster was in the rotation, Forrest averaged . . . 25 minutes per game.

In regard to when Forrest was starting, he was playing instead of Nweke in a small lineup. Nweke returned to the lineup and took Forrest’s spot.

 
PeteD 
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04-06-20 06:10 AM - Post#305873    
    In response to SomeGuy

Meisner, Faulds, Hanson and now Forrest? Wtf is going on?

 
Columbia 37P6 
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04-06-20 10:02 PM - Post#305917    
    In response to PeteD

"Wtf is going on" appears to be "administrative incompetence" as there is no valid basis for Columbia retaining a coach with one of the worst won-loss records in college basketball history. What other reason can there be?

 
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