PennFan10
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03-17-20 05:09 PM - Post#304771
In response to SomeGuy
I think Jelani is motivated. Can his body match his mind? I don't think he even knows yet.
Wang: I don't think anything has changed on the course of action. It may just be frustration at pace of recovery. There is nothing to be worried about here yet I think.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Next year
03-17-20 05:10 PM - Post#304772
In response to PennFan10
Of all the guys named (for Penn or across the league), only Foye played as sparingly as MLL freshman year. Cotton and Juzang played 3 times as much, and Schiffner, Archibong, and Danley more multiples than that. Danley was in the rotation almost all year as a freshman, I believe, Koko most of the year, and Schiffner by the end of the year.
I did a little more looking, and came up with a couple of Yale guys: Jack Montague and Sam Downey. With Foye, Montague, and Downey, all became rotation players as sophs, and then starters after that. All after playing under 40 minutes against D1 teams as freshmen.
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LocalTiger
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03-17-20 05:43 PM - Post#304774
In response to SomeGuy
For what it is worth, Henry Caruso played 19 minutes as a freshman and was first team All Ivy as a junior.
Richmond Aririguzoh played about 65 minutes as a freshman
And was All- Ivy as a junior and senior.
Some guys develop later and some do not get time
Early because of the roster.
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PennFan10
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03-17-20 08:06 PM - Post#304776
In response to LocalTiger
Yea juzang played almost half his frost minutes in one game in China. This whole concept is not a thing really.
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mrjames
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03-17-20 09:10 PM - Post#304778
In response to PennFan10
You can often tell a bit by who people are playing behind. Juzang playing behind Siyani or Bryce - no shame in that.
The issue is when a freshman isn’t playing when there’s clearly time to win. That usually tells you something, and normally it’s not good.
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PennFan10
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03-18-20 09:03 AM - Post#304782
In response to mrjames
And MLL has been behind AJ Brodeur, which is no sin.
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palestra38
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03-18-20 09:12 AM - Post#304784
In response to PennFan10
And it took AJ a while to become the player he was in that system. Simmons was not able to play in that role as a substitute effectively. No surprise that they really didn't even try MLL.
It will have to be a different offense because MLL now has to play---just to get his shot blocking and athleticism on the court.
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SomeGuy
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03-18-20 10:47 AM - Post#304793
In response to palestra38
Yes, what is needed to play a few minutes backing up AJ, and what will be needed next year without AJ are two different things. However, don’t count Simmons out. More rope could make him a different player. If body language is an indicator, he often seems to get frustrated when things don’t go his way. Could be that he plays freer when he isn’t looking over his shoulder.
I am hoping that this ends up being a question of who fits best with Wang. If Wang is playing the AJ spot on offense, it may be a question of who can best play the AJ spot on defense (which likely isn’t Wang). Despite the fact that Simmons was our one big on the floor without AJ this year, I always thought that defensively he played best with AJ (where generally Simmons would guard the primary low post threat and AJ would be lurking to double/help).
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Quakers03
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03-18-20 02:08 PM - Post#304813
In response to SomeGuy
If body language is an indicator, he often seems to get frustrated when things don’t go his way. Could be that he plays freer when he isn’t looking over his shoulder.
It's the same body language that has been on display since the red and blue scrimmage his freshman year, so I wouldn't get your hopes up on that front. I do think he'll be more productive for us next year, as the minutes alone will dictate it and there is an offensive game in there. I'd like to think Steve operated this year thinking about next year as well, but we'll see. We're not in practice so there's no way to know what MLL is being taught, but obviously he needs to be a main cog going forward.
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Quake Show
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06-21-20 05:21 PM - Post#309361
In response to Quakers03
Some good news: Jelani Williams has been posting updates on his Instagram account about his rehabilitation and it looks like it has been going very well.
Today he posted two videos of him dunking, one was a windmill. Will he have the same bounce he did three years ago? Probably not. But should his progress continue, I think we could be pleasantly surprised with his playing ability beyond just seeing the court again.
Definitely an inspiration, how far he’s come and chosen to persevere through debilitating injury. Wishing him the best
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PennFan10
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06-21-20 11:57 PM - Post#309370
In response to Quake Show
The summer of 2018 in Italy SD said Jelani was their best player in the practices and 3 games they played. For the kid I hope he gets back to that level.
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OldBig5
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06-22-20 02:12 PM - Post#309394
In response to Quake Show
Good news--thanks for the update.
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Quake Show
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07-01-20 07:24 PM - Post#309877
In response to OldBig5
Video of Andrew Laczkowski (and younger brother Tate) working out:
https://twitter.com/dp2nice/status/127846 713168071...
I think a lot of people commenting on Penn’s depth next year have excluded the incoming freshmen from that discussion: he will be an interesting piece. I don’t think he’s big enough to play a college forward like Martz but he is big enough to have a size advantage at the 2 or 3. Should be interesting, and fwiw I think our class will surprise people. Will it be the best class in the league? Probably not, but I’m optimistic.
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Quake Show
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07-04-20 03:40 PM - Post#309952
In response to Quake Show
This is a really cool video to watch if you’re a basketball nerd, it shows some of the designed plays Penn runs a lot. Really easy to see why Donahue is regarded as a great offensive mind, and also how coaches from the same coaching tree like Fran O’Hanlon know how to guard against it.
https://twitter.com/coachjayoh/status/120 336186779...
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Quake Show
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07-09-20 04:59 PM - Post#310209
In response to Quake Show
Jelani Williams has been cleared to play this season.
Has two years of eligibility.
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penn nation
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07-09-20 05:09 PM - Post#310211
In response to Quake Show
Jelani Williams has been cleared to play this season.
Has two years of eligibility.
Just his mazel. Right in the midst of corona.
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Quake Show
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07-09-20 09:53 PM - Post#310224
In response to penn nation
Depending on how the situation progresses, he might have another year of eligibility at Penn if winter sports are subject to the same allowances as fall sports.
Not sure he would want to stay for a sixth year, though, without getting a graduate degree at the least.
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Ancient Quaker
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07-13-20 07:30 AM - Post#310274
In response to Quake Show
At this rate, he will soon qualify for a doctorate from the School of Hard Knocks.
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Quake Show
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09-15-20 05:39 PM - Post#313391
In response to Ancient Quaker
Just thought I'd throw some observations out there – mostly good news in a sea of mostly bad regarding the pandemic and the college basketball season.
First, I'm sure many of you saw a recent DP article in which Coach Donahue is hopeful about Penn and the IL's ability to have a season, with specific emphasis on perhaps squeezing some non-conference games beforehand because of Penn's proximity to other schools. Fingers crossed.
Andrew Laczkowski underwent a serious knee surgery several weeks ago, unclear on what it was for or what the prognosis is, but never something you want to hear.
Several Penn players played several Temple players at the 76ers Field House last week, and looked pretty solid from what video clips I saw on social media. MLL is looking like a more versatile offensive threat, more comfortable in the high post and setting up the offense, cutting, and with some mean blocks and putback dunks. Jonah Charles and Jelani Williams were playing as well, and seem to be healthy as ever given their injury past. Lucas Monroe was there too and looked great on offense and defense.
Also, Jon Rothstein is reporting that Orlando – and I assume its the same bubble that the NBA is using – will be hosting eight (8!!) MTEs in a bubble-format. I know we were replaced in the Myrtle Beach Field and it's quite a long shot, but it would be great if we could squeeze into one.
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Stuart Suss
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09-15-20 06:09 PM - Post#313394
In response to Quake Show
In the alumni Zoom meeting on Monday, Steve Donahue described the Andrew Laczkowski injury as meniscus surgery, with a recovery time of 3-4 months.
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