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internetter 
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03-21-20 11:15 PM - Post#304972    

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mobrien 
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03-21-20 11:57 PM - Post#304974    
    In response to internetter

Relieved I don't have to root for Duke next year! I had thought it was Ohio State all the way until it came out he was going to make the announcement live on ESPN. That sounded like something they'd do for a Dookie. Happy to be wrong about that.

 
Penndemonium 
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03-22-20 09:21 PM - Post#304998    
    In response to mobrien

This is no disrespect to Seth, but is he expected to have impact at OSU?

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-22-20 09:34 PM - Post#305000    
    In response to Penndemonium

Hope he’s healthy. Seth Towns was the best player in this league. Certainly has aT least as good or better chance than anyone else.

Oh, and he was heavily recruited by OSU 4 years ago.

 
mobrien 
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03-22-20 10:06 PM - Post#305001    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

A lot of the top programs in the country—Duke, Kansas, and Virginia—wanted Seth. If he's healthy, I don't see any reason why he wouldn't make a pretty big impact for OSU.

 
Mike Porter 
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03-22-20 10:17 PM - Post#305002    
    In response to mobrien

I think if he is back to 100% of what he was health-wise I definitely think he can make an impact.

One thing I thought weird on SC was that they referred to him as a PF and stretch 4. For me, he is a SF all the way (isn't that even what he played at Harvard) and especially in the Big 10. Don't see him banging with those Big 10 PFs!

 
mobrien 
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03-22-20 10:52 PM - Post#305003    
    In response to Mike Porter

We actually played him as a stretch 4 in 2018, but you're right that he's a classic 3-man. Also agree that it'd be harder to get away with playing him as a 4 in the Big 10.

 
Mike Porter 
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03-22-20 11:50 PM - Post#305004    
    In response to mobrien

Ah okay I couldn't remember he if was playing 3 or 4 for you guys (sad how long ago it was now). But yeah for me he would be a great fit as Big 10 SF.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-22-20 11:57 PM - Post#305005    
    In response to Mike Porter

Watching highlights around his announcement was tough. He was really really good as a frosh-soph. So smooth, smart and a great shooter. Shot over 50% from 3 in conference play his sophomore season, often on tough looks.

What could have been ....

 
palestra38 
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03-23-20 06:26 AM - Post#305007    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

He clearly was the best player in the league as a soph. If healthy, 2 years older and stronger, he could be a star in the Big 10.

 
SRP 
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03-23-20 01:45 PM - Post#305028    
    In response to palestra38

That deceptive smoothness will serve him well. Hope he stays healthy.

 
palestra38 
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03-23-20 01:53 PM - Post#305031    
    In response to SRP

He reminded me a lot of Ron Haigler, the great Penn forward of the early to mid '70s. Similar size and build, both with a sweet pull up jumper. Had Towns played in his last 2 years, he probably would have put up similar numbers (weighted by the fact that Haigler had no 3 point shot or shot clock).

 
PennFan10 
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03-23-20 02:07 PM - Post#305035    
    In response to SRP

Seth can play for sure if healthy. I would be careful stating he can be a star in the Big 10. Maybe, but history says probably not. Evan Beaudreaux was one of the best players in our league and played sparingly at Purdue (who recruited him hard out of HS). There are a lot of examples of grad transfers flaming out for any number of reasons. There are a few great stories (Texas Tech's PG Mooney last year, etc) but I think this transfer thing doesn't work way more often than it works.

As a transfer, you can't be equal to anyone who came in at that school as a frosh, you have to be substantially better. If you are equal, the staff is usually going with their own recruit.

I have high hopes for Seth (and Bryce, et al) but stardom in the big leagues is much more fleeting and isn't just about abilities.

 
palestra38 
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03-23-20 02:15 PM - Post#305036    
    In response to PennFan10

Towns was much better than Boudreaux, which is no insult to Boudreaux. But Towns was by far the best player in the League as a sophomore and broke down his man much better than Boudreaux.

We'll see, of course, but Towns has Big 10 ability.

 
PennFan10 
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03-23-20 04:05 PM - Post#305045    
    In response to palestra38

more times than not, ability doesn't equal success. I hope he has a great couple years.

 
SomeGuy 
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03-27-20 09:17 AM - Post#305154    
    In response to PennFan10

Makai Mason sticks out as a guy who was a lead player on a good high major after a transfer from an Ivy. So it can be done.

Shonn Miller was a very solid starter for UCONN as well.

Depends on what the player wants. If they just want the chance to experience high major basketball and contribute however they can, then it makes sense to aim as high as you can go. But if you want to play a lot and even be a lead player, you need to be very careful as a grad transfer.

The fact Towns has 2 years helps a lot to overcome some of the danger of a coach preferring freshmen.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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Seth's decision
03-27-20 11:40 AM - Post#305159    
    In response to SomeGuy

Shonn Miller might be a good comparison to Seth Towns. Both are about the same size and play(ed) under control with a remarkable smoothness to their games. By the time Shonn was a senior at Cornell, he had bulked up. I suspect that Seth has added strength since we last saw him play over two years ago. Remember, Seth has been able to practice and work out, the problem was apparently that some torn cartilage in his injured knee was overlooked.

Both can rebound but Seth was a better playmaker/passer. Both were reasonably good defenders in the Ivy league, but not DPOY candidates.

The biggest difference is in shooting. Shonn had a smooth turnaround and pull up - but with limited range. Both were exceptional FT shooters at over 80%.
Seth is a remarkable shooter from anywhere on the court, especially outside the arc. At Cornell, Shonn hit only 26.7% of his 3's, whereas Seth made 41.9%, including 44.1% his final year of play. Perhaps most importantly, Seth's shot resembles a step back jumper, with the ball elevated above his head. Miller's long range shots were not released with the extension that Seth's are.

If it is true that Seth is now healthy, I see him having a very successful two years. Shonn Miller went on to play in the G League in 2018-19. I expect at least as much from Seth.

Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 03-27-20 11:41 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
SomeGuy 
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Re: Seth's decision
03-27-20 02:02 PM - Post#305160    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Miller found a perfect situation at UCONN, and became a highly efficient player there who didn’t turn the ball over at all. I am curious how the recruiting process works with these guys and coaches. I wonder if there is a difference between what Mason and Miller were told coming in, compared to a guy like Tony Hicks who didn’t play as much. It is possible that the grad transfers need to be very careful about choosing a situation where a team has a need that the transfer is specifically coming in to fill. Just being told that you will be given the opportunity to compete for a spot in he rotation may not be what you want to agree to.

Towns and Tape both appear to have found spots where there is a specific need and opportunity. Smith and Aiken may be taking longer because it is kind of hard to imagine either as anything other than a lead guard, so the fit has to be just right for both the team and the player.

Barry and Betley will be interesting, because a high major could probably use either as a shooter off the bench with the right matchups. So the question will be whether they want to play a bigger role than that at a mid major.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-27-20 03:20 PM - Post#305162    
    In response to SomeGuy

Are you suggesting that just like choosing a college, choosing a graduate school should consider fit?

I’m betting Barry chooses Pitt. Pitt brought in a transfer last year (MURPHY) as a back up guard and 3 point specialist. He failed miserably. Not only does it I open spot for Barry, but staring guard Trey McGowens is now transferring away from Pitt. Barry is not just a must have for Pitt, but he grew

 
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