Tod Howard Hawks
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03-26-20 03:54 AM - Post#305084
Michael Valmas recently told me he had heard from reliable sources that Tape will be heading to Duke next fall. Well, isn't that nice.
I gather Tape never issued anything resembling an apology to his fellow Columbia players for screwing them, leaving--what was it, a day or two before Columbia Basketball played its first game. And the Columbia fans, students and alumni alike, I don't think anyone got even a semblance of an apology from Tape.
Thinking ahead, I doubt Tape will ever be selected to enter the Columbia Athletic Hall of Fame. To be admitted to that august group, character--personal character--is a requisite attribute to be chosen.
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Go Green
PhD Student
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Re: Tape to Duke
03-26-20 06:43 AM - Post#305086
In response to Tod Howard Hawks
Thinking ahead, I doubt Tape will ever be selected to enter the Columbia Athletic Hall of Fame. To be admitted to that august group, character--personal character--is a requisite attribute to be chosen.
Was he ever a real candidate? He was only Honorable Mention All-Ivy while at Columbia.
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RHunter3
Junior
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Reg: 12-02-14
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Re: Tape to Duke
03-26-20 08:13 AM - Post#305087
In response to Tod Howard Hawks
It was long before the season started that they knew he wasn't coming back. It was not a few days before the season started. The coaches knew in the summer. It was not when it was announced.
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welcometothejungle
Masters Student
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Re: Tape to Duke
03-26-20 08:20 AM - Post#305088
In response to Tod Howard Hawks
I gather Tape never issued anything resembling an apology to his fellow Columbia players for screwing them, leaving--what was it, a day or two before Columbia Basketball played its first game. And the Columbia fans, students and alumni alike, I don't think anyone got even a semblance of an apology from Tape.
Per the ESPN article about Ivy League grad transfers earlier this season, Tapé had torn a ligament in his toe over the summer and likely would have missed a large chunk of the season even if he had stayed on the team. While his departure wasn't actually announced until the day before the season, I find it hard to believe the team didn't know in advance that this was something he was considering after he initially suffered the injury
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RHunter3
Junior
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Re: Tape to Duke
03-26-20 08:25 AM - Post#305089
In response to welcometothejungle
It was known he beginning of the summer. I knew then, but it wasn't announced until the start of the season.
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welcometothejungle
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03-26-20 08:30 AM - Post#305091
In response to RHunter3
That's what I figured. Usually that's the case with most of the news that breaks the week before the season starts (things like injuries), the team knows in advance but doesn't put anything out until right before the season
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Tod Howard Hawks
Freshman
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Age: 79
Reg: 03-17-14
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Tape to Duke
03-26-20 10:09 AM - Post#305095
In response to welcometothejungle
Really? I can't believe you guys.
All of you can't be this dumb.
So, this best way to handle the Tape affair is just to sit on this and remain silent for months, then, ONE DAY--ONLY ONE DAY--before the season begins, that's when you make public to all your fans--students, alumni, Columbia Basketball fans in the City--that Tape--what is he, 6'10"--who, I was told, actually practiced with the team up until the day it was officially announced that, in fact, Tape was NOT going to play at all with his teammates, but was going to transfer, leaving ALL in his dust.
That's OK with all of you, right? Well, it's not OK with me.
Edited by Tod Howard Hawks on 03-26-20 10:11 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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PennFan10
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Re: Tape to Duke
03-26-20 10:18 AM - Post#305097
In response to Tod Howard Hawks
Harvard wouldn't have even told anyone the day before. If it was up to them, none of us would have known until after he committed to Duke why he didn't play.
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RHunter3
Junior
Posts: 281
Reg: 12-02-14
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Re: Tape to Duke
03-26-20 10:18 AM - Post#305098
In response to Tod Howard Hawks
It's the coaches call. I think they were hoping the injury would progress faster, but the information was sat on. I know for a fact it was known before then, but wasn't my place to post the information.
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Chet Forte
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Reg: 03-02-08
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 03-26-20 04:10 PM - Post#305131
In response to RHunter3
So if Tape was such an exemplary teammate, and didn’t play only because he had a bad toe, then I have to wonder why I did not see him even once at a single home game cheering on his teammates, and as a season ticket holder, trust me, I would not have missed a 6’10†dude sitting in the stands.
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Sagatius
Freshman
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Age: 76
Reg: 11-17-15
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03-26-20 06:21 PM - Post#305138
In response to Chet Forte
I’ve seen him at several games.
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Chet Forte
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Reg: 03-02-08
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03-26-20 08:06 PM - Post#305144
In response to Sagatius
Then he must have been incognito.
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Chet Forte
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Reg: 03-02-08
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03-26-20 08:15 PM - Post#305146
In response to Chet Forte
And let me make one point clear—I have always thought that Tape had tremendous talent. It was a revelation to see the way he was playing toward the end of his junior year. I actually thought that he would have been first team all Ivy had he played this year and stayed healthy. He is a very gifted guy who will be a real contributor to the one and done heavy Duke roster. My quarrel with him is largely because he is so talented—Columbia took a chance on him as an unranked and underrecruited diamond in the rough and worked with him to turn him into a highly skilled and gifted player, but instead of showing appreciation he made it all about himself and in the process wrecked the season for his teammates, coaches and school.
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internetter
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Re: Tape to Duke
03-27-20 01:40 AM - Post#305149
In response to RHunter3
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he and Killinsgworth play in Europe during the summer before his senior year?
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welcometothejungle
Masters Student
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Age: 27
Reg: 07-31-19
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04-02-20 02:37 PM - Post#305603
In response to internetter
Patrick Tape has now decommitted from Duke
https://twitter.com/evandaniels/status/12 457771271...
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Chet Forte
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Reg: 03-02-08
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04-02-20 03:03 PM - Post#305607
In response to welcometothejungle
Coach K must have read my comments on this board and disinvited Tape.
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Pantone291
Freshman
Posts: 32
Reg: 04-04-19
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04-02-20 03:47 PM - Post#305612
In response to Chet Forte
A strange story that keeps getting stranger. I suppose he could always go play for WSU.
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cc66
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Reg: 10-09-09
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04-02-20 04:38 PM - Post#305619
In response to Pantone291
It all goes to show there is some crazy basketball virus in the land that makes players leave Columbia and then do inexplicably erratic things.
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Old Bear
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Reg: 11-23-04
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 04-02-20 05:01 PM - Post#305622
In response to cc66
Maybe that's why they went to Col. in the first place.
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welcometothejungle
Masters Student
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Age: 27
Reg: 07-31-19
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04-05-20 08:56 PM - Post#305860
In response to Old Bear
Well after all that, Tape has now recommitted to Duke
https://twitter.com/evandaniels/status/12 469600276...
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cc66
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Reg: 10-09-09
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04-05-20 10:04 PM - Post#305864
In response to welcometothejungle
Has there ever been a transfer process to match this saga?
From the outside, it seems quite nuts.
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Mike Porter
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Posts: 3618
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Reg: 11-21-04
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04-06-20 03:05 AM - Post#305869
In response to cc66
Spencer Gloger wants his move back
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palestra38
Professor
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Reg: 11-21-04
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04-06-20 05:41 AM - Post#305871
In response to Mike Porter
Awww...Porter woke up before I did and saw this question. No one's transfer saga was weirder than Gloger.
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rbg
Postdoc
Posts: 3050
Reg: 10-20-14
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04-06-20 09:18 AM - Post#305877
In response to palestra38
A couple of other crazy transfer stories:
Rob Hodgson (mid-90s). He kept people thinking he was going to come to Penn from Indiana, eventually transferring to Rutgers.
Desmond Cambridge (last year). He announced his final schools were Vanderbilt, Stanford & Virginia Tech. Then, he trimmed it to Vandy & Va Tech and said he would make an announcement at the end of April. After about a week of silence, he announced he was transferring to Nevada.
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cc66
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04-06-20 09:24 AM - Post#305879
In response to rbg
For those of us who don't know, please tell us about Spencer Gloger.
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palestra38
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04-06-20 10:22 AM - Post#305888
In response to rbg
Hodgson was not a transfer, although he was an interesting story--supposedly a slick Ron Haigler type forward, it was a major recruit for Dunph after the Jerome Allen-Matt Maloney teams. He showed up at Penn, checked into the high rise and 2 days later, went AWOL from the dorm. He surfaced at Rutgers, where his father apparently wanted him to play bigger time basketball and showed up in the middle of the night to remove him. Never registered at Penn though, so not a transfer. Had a nice Rutgers career, but Rutgers was playing Big East then and stunk. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/rob-h...
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welcometothejungle
Masters Student
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Age: 27
Reg: 07-31-19
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Tape to Duke
04-06-20 12:02 PM - Post#305894
In response to palestra38
I had seen some Duke fans speculate that Tape decommitting could have been related to not getting into his desired graduate program and wanting to reconsider his alternatives. Not sure how true that is though. Tape is quoted in the 247 story as saying he felt like he may have rushed his original decision and wanted to make sure he had properly considered all of his options, which I can also understand. Could be that Tape, a NC native, got the offer from Duke and immediately accepted given the ability to play in his home state for a program with the tradition of Duke, then felt like he had been quick to accept
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Go Green
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Reg: 04-22-10
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04-06-20 12:38 PM - Post#305897
In response to cc66
For those of us who don't know, please tell us about Spencer Gloger.
If you do a search for "Gloger," you'll get plenty of discussion.
Here's one (near end of first page). More exist.
http://boards.basketball-u.com/showtopic.php?tid/1...
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Go Green
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Reg: 04-22-10
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04-06-20 01:16 PM - Post#305900
In response to Go Green
And in case anyone is wondering, the answer is YES -- Tiger69 does indeed chide people in that 2015 thread for not having better things to do, as he has done so many times over the years (including today on the Voy Board).
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Billy Hoyle
Freshman
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Age: 50
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Reg: 12-17-14
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Tape to Duke
04-07-20 01:56 PM - Post#305940
In response to rbg
A couple of other crazy transfer stories:
Rob Hodgson (mid-90s). He kept people thinking he was going to come to Penn from Indiana, eventually transferring to Rutgers.
Desmond Cambridge (last year). He announced his final schools were Vanderbilt, Stanford & Virginia Tech. Then, he trimmed it to Vandy & Va Tech and said he would make an announcement at the end of April. After about a week of silence, he announced he was transferring to Nevada.
I don't remember the recruit or the school involved, but a coach of a rival school intercepted a recruit who was changing flights at Denver International and the kid never showed up in Texas, which is where he was supposed to go.
And go back nearly 40 years to the "recruitment" of Akeem Olajuwon. He arrived at JFK and the St. John's coach who was supposed to show up did not. Akeem had tickets for three other cities, Providence, Louisville, and Houston so he asked a Nigerian baggage handler which one had weather similar to Nigeria and the guys told him to go to Houston. UH didn't even know he was coming nor that he was 7 feet tall.
Edited by Billy Hoyle on 04-07-20 01:58 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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hoopsfan
Masters Student
Posts: 644
Reg: 12-26-04
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Re: Tape to Duke
05-09-20 03:26 PM - Post#307117
In response to Billy Hoyle
Tape video interview 5/7/2020: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHvdQ1Mybss&a mp;li...
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Chet Forte
Postdoc
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Reg: 03-02-08
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05-12-20 10:06 AM - Post#307265
In response to hoopsfan
The interviewer was obsequious to a fault. I wish that he would have been forthright and simply said welcome to the one and done land of the hypocrites. Coach K pretends to be all that is sacrosanct about college ball yet is making a bloody fortitude off of these “scholar athletes†who spend one year at his factory only because they cannot go right into the NBA. Tape will find that he is in a different world now.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
Postdoc
Posts: 2689
Loc: New Jersey
Reg: 01-21-14
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05-12-20 04:50 PM - Post#307289
In response to Chet Forte
Tape was sort of “3 and doneâ€
He’s prepped
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LocalTiger
Masters Student
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Age: 58
Reg: 11-15-17
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05-13-20 08:33 AM - Post#307296
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
A little bitter? Tape is a kid with some talent. The
idea that he wants to taste the big time does not
make him evil. I hope he does Columbia and the Ivies
proud.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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Tape to Duke
05-13-20 10:54 AM - Post#307299
In response to LocalTiger
You misunderstand me.
Not bitter at all.
I was disappointed for Columbia as with Tape and Stefanini Columbia would have qualified for the tournament and really been in the thick of things this year. I'm also assuming that Tape was injured and would have gotten a late start and risked reinjury at Columbia.
Just observing that "one and done" mentality has now reared its ugly head as "three and done" in the Ivy's.
Why would I be bitter about Tape? Frankly, I assume that absent the graduate transfer program we might have seen both Seth Towns and Bryce Aiken hobbling onto Lavietes ala Willis Reed over the past two seasons. I'm disappointed that we are losing so much talent, but they are all making the correct decisions for themselves under the current NCAA scheme.
Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 05-13-20 10:55 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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SomeGuy
Professor
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Reg: 11-22-04
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Re: Tape to Duke
05-13-20 10:57 AM - Post#307300
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
I assume he was talking about Chet Forte’s post.
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palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32802
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: Tape to Duke
05-13-20 11:53 AM - Post#307303
In response to SomeGuy
And Princeton guys never are snarky towards Harvard guys.
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Dr. V
PhD Student
Posts: 1537
Reg: 11-21-04
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05-13-20 11:58 AM - Post#307304
In response to SomeGuy
I'm only speaking for myself rather than anyone else on these boards.
I realize that today's world is much more of a "transactional" world, but for at least some geezers such as myself, loyalty actually means something. It's one thing if a player is a star coming out of h.s., e.g., perhaps Boudreau. A school knows it is very lucky to have gotten a player of that caliber and if he decides after one or two years that he wants a higher level of competition, which he could have had if he had chosen a high major to begin with, then that's that. But it's different when a player is marginal coming out of h.s. and a school provides a place for him and its coaches work with him to build up his skills, his strength etc. and then, despite strenuous attempts to get him to stay and play, he nevertheless sits out, gets the benefit of that prestigious school's degree and then transfers to a high major.
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mrjames
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Reg: 11-21-04
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05-13-20 12:06 PM - Post#307305
In response to Dr. V
I think it would be hard to distinguish the two as a matter of practice, but I do agree with the sentiment behind feeling that way.
At the end of the day, as long as the Ivy League has the policy against grads playing, it's really hard to blame kids who get injured for taking the extra years elsewhere. I don't exactly love the trend of sitting as a healthy player to graduate and save a year or two for a bigger school, but to some extent that's the same as a transfer (the kid would have to sit a year as a non-grad transfer anyway, so why not get a degree while sitting that year).
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internetter
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Loc: Los Angeles
Reg: 11-21-04
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05-13-20 12:48 PM - Post#307309
In response to mrjames
Tape went to play in a European (with Killingsworth) in the summer before his senior year.
Anyone see a report of an injury when he returned?
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Columbia 37P6
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Tape to Duke
05-13-20 01:28 PM - Post#307311
In response to internetter
"Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men" The Shadow knows," but apparently isn't about to share his information with the Ivy League.
Edited by Columbia 37P6 on 05-13-20 01:30 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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LocalTiger
Masters Student
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Age: 58
Reg: 11-15-17
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05-13-20 02:16 PM - Post#307314
In response to Columbia 37P6
I understand that a fan wants a player to stay at his school.
I do not follow Dr, V, however. As to a heralded recruit, you
Are lucky to have him and he has a right to leave .
An under the radar kid who improves does not have
the same privilege?
Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions, but that one
Makes little sense to me.
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SomeGuy
Professor
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05-13-20 10:00 PM - Post#307328
In response to LocalTiger
The Blakeney thing is interesting.
Different kids want different things from the experience, and that is okay. One thing that is surprising to me, though, is that Tape spent very little time as the big fish in a small pond. At Duke, he certainly has an opportunity, but there is also a lot of risk, at least in terms of playing time. The opportunity to experience big time college basketball is a bigger draw for him than starring at Columbia.
As for starring at Columbia, it is probably worth noting that the switch flipped on for Tape EXACTLY when Smith got hurt. Tape was averaging 6 points per game and had just one double digit scoring game (11) in those 7 games with Smith. He averaged 13 per game without Smith. And he had more single digit scoring games (6) in the 7 games with Smith than he did in the 20 without him. So it is not inconceivable that he looked at that and figured he wasn’t going to be a star at Columbia this year anyway with Smith back.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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05-13-20 10:17 PM - Post#307329
In response to SomeGuy
There's a photo - I thought on this board - of Tape in a walking boot apparenlty late in last summer (2019). It was discussed by someone who knew more about it.
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Murph
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 Tape to Duke
05-19-20 01:25 PM - Post#307532
In response to Dr. V
Man, you guys are a bunch of cranky old men. How can you not be happy for the kid? IMO, he played it just right. He parlayed his basketball skills into an Ivy League education. Then he did it again, this time for a graduate degree from Duke. And that's only the academic aspect.
He was able to star for Columbia, and now he'll be part of a top 5 program in the nation and get to play for one of the top coaches in NCAA history. And he gets to go to The Dance. He might even win a National Championship.
And as a 5th year senior, he'll be older, stronger, smarter and craftier than most those one-and-doners. I would be very surprised if he didn't play major minutes, and I would not be surprised if he started for Duke.
Well done, Mr. Tape!
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