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Username Post: New 2021 Recruiting Thread        (Topic#24423)
SomeGuy 
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02-18-21 04:18 PM - Post#320965    
    In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.

Was having the same thought. I never knew Jordan was on here. What was his moniker?

 
Penndemonium 
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New 2021 Recruiting Thread
02-18-21 04:34 PM - Post#320966    
    In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.

MJ used to give us direct insight into the spirit and preparation of the team and we used to all give him encouragement before games. He didn't give inside information on recruiting or strategy, but it was fun to lob in our support and occasionally even sneak in a suggestion. It was great to think that players felt our direct support for the team.

I think this was back in the predecessor board, which was usenet based. We eventually bumped the entire group to here.

I can't remember exactly what set him off. I think someone questioned the team's effort in a game, and he argued back about it. The poster (who was also a great board member) refused to back down on their opinions. MJ decided he had better things to do with his time and left the board angry... forever. The other person also eventually left the board with hurt feelings on some matter. All of them were just defending their opinions and none were wrong. I don't recall any "over-the-line" comments back then. Still, is winning the battle worth it? This board has been devalued by losing the vibrant participation of Asia (sometimes still posts), Howard, MJ, and others. If mrjames and nychoops stop posting, that will take away 40-60% of why I sign in at all. Some people left angry and others were just withered tired of it.

I understand why MJ was sensitive even if the comments weren't "over the line." I'd hate to read a spectator's view of what I do at work every day. I think someone argued that he shouldn't be on the board if he was going to be so defensive or sensitive. C'mon. We all lost that day.

Forgot to add - MJ posted under his own full name in those days.

  • T.P.F.K.A.D.W. Said:
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This includes Michael Jordan, who most of us respect in both mind and character.


Wait, Jordan used to post here? I honestly don't remember that. I do remember Steve Danley popping in from time to time. Those were some great posts.

And if you're out there, Howard Gensler, please come home. We miss you.




Edited by Penndemonium on 02-18-21 04:36 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
mrjames 
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Re: New 2021 Recruiting Thread
02-18-21 04:56 PM - Post#320967    
    In response to SomeGuy

Wanted to pop back in to say it was unfair of me to single SG out and to explain that I do the break stuff to battle my obsessive traits. Me needing to get away from the boards for a bit is a personal governor on posting obsessively, and at some point around then, some post was just the kick I needed to trigger the governor. It's why I take a few month break from Ivybball twitter after every (real) season, etc. Others who may have obsessive diagnoses may know what I'm talking about, but you just need those established kick out points to keep life balanced.

In the interim, wanted to apologize to SG for making it seem like this on him... was just the right moment to step away for some time!

 
PennFan10 
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02-18-21 04:56 PM - Post#320968    
    In response to Jeff2sf

Mike's opinion is that we are a coach away from being a top 10 league. I think that's fools gold. We can't compete with Harvard, even with an Amaker clone. Our best bet is a different approach, which SD is doing but it takes time. The other fools gold is the idea that you can turn a program from a bottom feeder to a champion in 4-5 years and instantly compete for top 100 athletes. A few schools can do that by paying big bucks for a coach and re organizing the message as well as aligning the administration. Most schools have to build it the long way, brick by brick. We are hunting in the right recruiting pools and if you do that long enough its a matter of time before you hook a whale and then another. But it doesn't just happen and a big name, big buck coach isn't going to make that happen.

 
SomeGuy 
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Re: New 2021 Recruiting Thread
02-18-21 05:04 PM - Post#320969    
    In response to mrjames

Thanks for the note, and thanks for the context. As I’ve said repeatedly since last night, I always welcome your insights, even when we disagree.

 
TheLine 
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New 2021 Recruiting Thread
02-18-21 05:54 PM - Post#320973    
    In response to PennFan10

PF10 - I'm reading it somewhat different from the way you are. I take Mike James' input as an honest assessment. True, it's just his assessment (and others have different takes) but he's saying things that I was already thinking about.

Even with AJ, Penn was a middling Ivy team the past two years. I don't think anyone on next year's team is the quality of AJ, nor is there any in the immediate recruiting pipeline. Yet my sense is that many on this board are quite content with how things are going.

I'm not hating on Donahue. I am questioning how much we should be locked into Donahue being the answer. I'm not seeing the progression I was hoping for.


Edited by TheLine on 02-18-21 06:10 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
AsiaSunset 
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Re: New 2021 Recruiting Thread
02-18-21 05:58 PM - Post#320974    
    In response to SomeGuy

Recruiting at Penn ( and Princeton and Yale ) is usually a mix. What do Jarrod Simmons, Jelani Williams, Eddie Scott, Michael Wang and Bryce Washington have in common? They were all 3 star recruits with Ivy + offers.


 
AsiaSunset 
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Re: New 2021 Recruiting Thread
02-18-21 06:17 PM - Post#320975    
    In response to AsiaSunset

I’d add, what do Oni, Mason & Swain have in common. They are all players that have killed Penn on the floor and all 3 were ho hum NEPSAC recruits before entering Yale.

Recruiting is an inexact science at our level. The exception, as pointed out by others, has been Harvard.

 
TheLine 
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02-18-21 06:21 PM - Post#320976    
    In response to AsiaSunset

Woods did such a number on Oni that he never really hurt us, amirite?


 
AsiaSunset 
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02-18-21 06:44 PM - Post#320978    
    In response to TheLine

Yes - in that last game at The Palestra. But, Oni hurt us in the 1st game at Yale and Woods was a really terrific defender who happened to win the battle that day (a 3 star recruit by the way). Yale's not so highly rated Oni was of course the Ivy POY.

Woods effort was offset by another Yale 2 star rated guard, Alex Copeland.

 
SteveChop 
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02-18-21 06:54 PM - Post#320981    
    In response to AsiaSunset

Was Woods a 3 star recruit in Basketball? As I recall, he was also a very good football player too and was recruited by Penn for football too.

 
AsiaSunset 
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02-18-21 07:03 PM - Post#320982    
    In response to SteveChop

Maybe not. I don’t remember. He was indeed a very highly ranked FB player who initially planned to play both sports at Penn.

 
Old Bear 
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02-18-21 08:02 PM - Post#320986    
    In response to nychoops

Another expert on Penn recruiting often posts here as Old Bear.

 
TheLine 
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02-18-21 08:55 PM - Post#320990    
    In response to AsiaSunset

Woods was far more recruited as a football player. Penn was the college willing to let him play both football and basketball if I recall.

My personal observation is that Woods stood out as an athlete compared to the rest of the team. The basketball skill were also there, but the way he could handle anyone on the court on the defensive end set him apart. We don't really get recruits with that level of athleticism plus basketball chops since maybe Onyekwe.


 
Penndemonium 
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02-19-21 12:06 AM - Post#320995    
    In response to TheLine

Woods stood alone as a penn hoops player in his immovability. That guy could just stand his ground. If he hand-checked you or put his arms out, they were real barriers. That made it very tough to drive past him or back him down. The only other slight analog I can think of was Vince Curran, but he was a stout center, not a guard.

 
Streamers 
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03-22-21 02:13 PM - Post#322402    
    In response to Penndemonium

Watching Kepnang go to work on Iowa right now. My first good look at him. Now I understand why he got all that attention.

 
AsiaSunset 
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04-07-21 06:13 PM - Post#323009    
    In response to Streamers

I saw a post on the Twitter recently that Gus Larson set a school record of 44 pts in the last NHP scrimmage. He was 7-8 on 3's, 9-16 on 2's, had 9 rebounds, 3 assists and 3 steals.

I don't think Larson will be a prodigious scorer at Penn, but they probably have 10-20 D1 players enrolled at NHP this year, so this seems pretty impressive.

I do think, in Larson, that we have a 6'11 player coming in with a skill set that is perfect for Steve's offense. Now if he shows a motor that is anywhere close to AJ's, then we might have a really good player coming in.

 
AsiaSunset 
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04-14-21 01:13 PM - Post#323167    
    In response to AsiaSunset

Kacper Klaczek to St Joe’s

 
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