Quake Show
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06-25-20 01:54 PM - Post#309597
In response to penn nation
Where does this leave us with 2021 bigs?
Lieb committing to Illinois means the only big that we’ve offered and still has us on their list is Franck Kepnang - which is as big a moonshot as any.
Unless someone has other information - I don’t think we’ve extended any other offers, just interest.
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Mike Porter
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New 2021 Recruiting Thread
06-26-20 01:19 AM - Post#309621
In response to Quake Show
A new forward I just saw us mention with is Ian Schieffelin, 6’9†225 forward from Georgia.
Jake Lieberman
@jakelieberman2
Rising senior Ian Schieffelin, (@ian_schieffelin) tells me that Clemson, Virginia Tech, Penn, Wofford, Charleston, and Western Carolina have shown interest. He holds offers from Georgia State, App State, Richmond, Charlotte, and others.
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/ian-schieffel ...
So no offer yet but sounds like we have interest.
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Quake Show
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06-26-20 10:25 AM - Post#309624
In response to Mike Porter
Ed Holland released his top 8:
Finally some good news! Penn is involved along with Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Penn State, VCU, Rhode Island, and Providence.
A good mix of mid majors along with a few HM programs, unfortunately we can’t pursue the AAU-team up route with his teammate Stevie Mitchell. Hoping for some good fortunes here.
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Penndemonium
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06-27-20 01:44 PM - Post#309667
In response to Quake Show
Looks like a guy we could really use, and it would be nice for us to get a Friends Central guy - especially with such academic and character chops. He has a great mix of skills on offense - his team clearly felt comfortable setting him up for three pointers a few steps behind the arc. He can get to the hoop very quickly and elusively. Finally, he has the now scarce mid-range game. I like that his mid-range game is built on some repeatable and more reliable foundations - a turnaround around the rim and the pull-up a little further out. That translates much better to the next level than leaning and athletic shots. I didn't see his defense on video, but I liked reading about his wingspan.
https://www.inquirer.com/high-school-sports/pe nnsy...
Ed Holland released his top 8:
Finally some good news! Penn is involved along with Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Penn State, VCU, Rhode Island, and Providence.
A good mix of mid majors along with a few HM programs, unfortunately we can’t pursue the AAU-team up route with his teammate Stevie Mitchell. Hoping for some good fortunes here.
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Mike Porter
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New 2021 Recruiting Thread
06-27-20 08:15 PM - Post#309672
In response to Penndemonium
Great news that we made Top 8 cut for Ed Holland III, and agree he looks like a great prospect. We have a bit of home court advantage, so I'm hoping that goes in our favor. I would think that he is certainly one of our top targets (and would guess he has been for some time). We offered very early in the process as well compared to most of the schools on his final list.
Other programming note - Casey Simmons committed to Northwestern, which I would imagine means that Princeton and Yale could also be prioritizing Ed Holland III (though there isn't a public offer from Princeton as of yet, they did have him on for a Zoom pitch recently).
For me, this recruitment is an important one to watch, considering strong competition in league and with very good mid-high major programs.
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Mike Porter
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Re: New 2021 Recruiting Thread
06-27-20 08:29 PM - Post#309673
In response to Mike Porter
A new forward I just saw us mention with is Ian Schieffelin, 6’9†225 forward from Georgia.
Jake Lieberman
@jakelieberman2
Rising senior Ian Schieffelin, (@ian_schieffelin) tells me that Clemson, Virginia Tech, Penn, Wofford, Charleston, and Western Carolina have shown interest. He holds offers from Georgia State, App State, Richmond, Charlotte, and others.
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/ian-schieffel ...
So no offer yet but sounds like we have interest.
Know we haven't offered him yet, but his recruiting is picking up. Apparently played very well in AAU tournament this morning, and Clemson offered this evening. Not sure how much in the mix we are, but just FYI for those following along.
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Mike Porter
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06-27-20 08:39 PM - Post#309674
In response to Mike Porter
Looks like Hysier Miller and Ed Holland III were playing some pickup games today along with 4*, Top 100, 2022 target Jameel Brown (all offered by Penn). Would sure be nice if one of them committed and started personally recruiting the rest!
Tweet from Miller's HS coach (and for those who don't follow Philly recruiting, that is A LOT of good players right there in those pickup games):
John Brennan, Ed.D.
@imjohnbrennan
Got my hoops fix at the
@jaydoefilms runs today. Hysier “Fabb†Miller, Zaakir Williamson, Nisine “Wooga†Poplar, Rahsool Diggins, Ed Holland, Jameel Brown, Jaylen Stinson, Aaron Lemon-Warren, Marcus Randolph, Malik Edwards, etc. #GoodBump
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Quake Show
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06-27-20 09:47 PM - Post#309675
In response to Mike Porter
Casey Simmons committed to Northwestern, per Twitter.
Wishing him luck in the Big 10, but I would be lying if part of me isn’t thankful it’s not Yale or Princeton.
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Quake Show
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06-27-20 09:52 PM - Post#309676
In response to Quake Show
Also an update on Andy Barba: 2021 6’ 6†SF
http://endlessmotor.net/2020/06/27/one-on-one -with...
Penn is mentioned here, he doesn’t speak on his recruitment beyond offers though, so no further insight on that. What’s very impressive though is what his coaches are saying about his development over quarantine. Hopefully, we can maneuver a steal here, something Coach Donahue has talked about capitalizing on: the absence of HM recruiting developments alongside an AAU season.
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welcometothejungle
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Re: New 2021 Recruiting Thread
06-27-20 10:09 PM - Post#309677
In response to Mike Porter
Great news that we made Top 8 cut for Ed Holland III, and agree he looks like a great prospect. We have a bit of home court advantage, so I'm hoping that goes in our favor. I would think that he is certainly one of our top targets (and would guess he has been for some time). We offered very early in the process as well compared to most of the schools on his final list.
Other programming note - Casey Simmons committed to Northwestern, which I would imagine means that Princeton and Yale could also be prioritizing Ed Holland III (though there isn't a public offer from Princeton as of yet, they did have him on for a Zoom pitch recently).
For me, this recruitment is an important one to watch, considering strong competition in league and with very good mid-high major programs.
Princeton's offers are almost never public for some reason. I've basically just started assuming that any time they make a top 8 type list it means there's been an offer
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mrjames
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Re: New 2021 Recruiting Thread
06-28-20 07:44 AM - Post#309680
In response to welcometothejungle
Correct. Princeton generally stays very quiet on the trail. Tend to only find out they’re involved when a recruit mentions them or when they’re up against another Ivy. And because they go their own way a fair deal, pretty frequently neither of those gets tripped for a particular recruit.
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weinhauers_ghost
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Re: New 2021 Recruiting Thread
06-28-20 08:56 AM - Post#309682
In response to mrjames
Correct. Princeton generally stays very quiet on the trail. Tend to only find out they’re involved when a recruit mentions them or when they’re up against another Ivy. And because they go their own way a fair deal, pretty frequently neither of those gets tripped for a particular recruit.
Princeton has always seemed to me to be the one school that has valued system fits above all else. There are particular skills they've looked for, i.e., bigs who are comfortable operating out of the high post, for example. Henderson seems to have moved away from that model more recently, as his version of their offense has evolved.
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Quake Show
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Re: New 2021 Recruiting Thread
06-29-20 11:59 PM - Post#309739
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Not that we have a shot, but recruit news nonetheless:
Per Stockrisers, Franck Kepnang will not reclassify to 2020, choosing to stay in the 2021 class.
In addition, he states all schools that have offered are still involved, meaning we are technically still in the race (but even last place is still in the race). St. John's, Vanderbilt, and Maryland are probably the most heavily involved.
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AsiaSunset
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06-30-20 06:52 PM - Post#309774
In response to Quake Show
George Smith from the Brooks School committed to Penn. Ranked 17 in NERr rankings for class of 2021
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AsiaSunset
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06-30-20 07:56 PM - Post#309776
In response to AsiaSunset
Video: https://www.hudl.com/video/3/13955230/5e73 dd37e985...
Reminds me a little of Matt Langel
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Penndemonium
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06-30-20 08:18 PM - Post#309777
In response to AsiaSunset
I watched the Hudl video. What I liked was that he clearly can shoot from all over. He seemed to have Damian Lilliard license to shoot from anywhere. 10 feet beyond the arc? No problem. I also liked that he had good tools to create that shot by pulling up and also with a stepback move. That could be lethal. He seemed to have good downhill speed and decent athleticism and twitch.
There was so much I couldn't see on the video. Not many of his highlight shots seemed to come from movement away from the ball, which would be very important in D1. It would seem paramount once he is scouted by opposing coaches. Not much on his videos showed his court vision, ability to create for others, and defense.
We undoubtedly need shooters, so I'll cheer for this. He can clearly play - I just can't tell how he'll stack up in the league. If I were him, I'd study and practice Rip Hamilton and Ray Allen videos and do defensive footwork drills all summer.
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SomeGuy
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06-30-20 10:31 PM - Post#309784
In response to AsiaSunset
Great news! Glad to be on the board for next year’s class. Seems like a good get — #17 in NERR is higher than Pitcher (or, for that matter, Lorca-Lloyd).
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SteveChop
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06-30-20 10:56 PM - Post#309785
In response to AsiaSunset
Also liked the fact that he is a lefty - always makes it just a little harder to guard.
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Mike Porter
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07-01-20 01:04 AM - Post#309788
In response to SomeGuy
Definitely great news to get 2021 class off and running.
A few thoughts on Smith:
- We offered him almost a year ago after his sophomore year, so clearly thought highly of him and had him targeted early. Think the staff is very good at identifying talent, so like that we got a commitment now.
- His mix tape couldn’t be more suited to be a fit for Donahue’s offense - 85% 3’s, 10% layups, 5% midrange jumpers.
- Can’t find high school or AAU stats to know about %s, but his mixtape shows him hitting 3’s just about every conceivable way possible - off the dribble, step back, leading the break, trailing the break, off the curl, from a mile away, etc.
- Good size for a shooting guard, like that he is a lefty, and noticed it didn’t stop him from using his right hand for attacking the basket.
SG - definitely a good NERR ranking based on historical performance, but note that his ranking is not better than MLL’s was at the same stage of their HS careers. MLL was top 10 after his junior year, maybe even Top 5. After his senior year didn’t quite live up to that projection, he ended up at 25. Note that the rankings usually get shaken up heading into fall and sometimes kids drop as more kids decide to prep, so that is a ranking to watch (assuming any games are played). Note this isn’t a knock and still a good ranking for a prospect for us.
Hopefully just the start of a quality class!
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mrjames
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07-01-20 07:58 AM - Post#309793
In response to Mike Porter
Don’t know much about the kid, but man, did anyone else see his videos and immediately think... Makai Mason???
As for NERR... its rankings for New England kids tend to be better than the national outlets. But Mike is right, you have to wait until the new prep arrivals get added and senior year output is weighed. There is usually a pretty substantial reshuffle in the December. I don’t know where George will end up, but I’d suspect Pitcher will be around, if not in, the Top 10.
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