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Username Post: Ivy Presidents to Make Statement on Fall Sports July 8        (Topic#24495)
digamma 
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07-06-20 12:28 PM - Post#310003    

Buried within this Princeton release, there's a statement that the Ivy Presidents will make a statement regarding athletic programs on July 8.

https://www.princeton.edu/news/2020/07/06/presi den...

My guess is no fall sports, particularly with the varied approaches among the schools.

Not sure what that will mean in terms of sports that cross semesters.

 
rbg 
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07-06-20 12:48 PM - Post#310005    
    In response to digamma

Earlier today, Harvard announced that only 40% of the class will be allowed back to campus and all classes will be remote.

In the fall, only freshman and a small amount of other students will be allowed. If the same situation is done for the spring, the seniors will swap out with the freshman.

https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2020/07/harvard-al...

https://www.fas.harvard.edu/fas-decision-2020-202 1...

Here is a quote from the Harvard Magazine article that should give an idea of the fall sports -

"At this time, Harvard College will not be sponsoring or permitting any in-person programs or events, either off-campus or on-campus, in the fall."

Harvard Athletics posted this update;
https://gocrimson.com/news/2020/7/6/7_6_202 0_183.a...

- Harvard Athletics is closely monitoring the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic. The health, safety, and well-being of our community, on and off campus, is our top priority.

Harvard's decision to bring up to 40 percent of students to campus this fall has implications for our Athletics program. We anticipate that the Ivy League will issue a decision on July 8 about fall sports competitions and training. Even in the absence of this guidance, we acknowledge that our medium density plan will necessarily place limits on what athletic activities are possible at Harvard this fall.

For varsity events, fans can consult the individual team schedule pages or the composite schedule page. This page will also be updated immediately as changes are confirmed. -

The Athletic has an article (for those who subscribe) on the upcoming Ivy decision:
https://theathletic.com/1911122/2020/07/06/wi ll-co...

While it seems likely that the fall sports will be postponed or canceled, it is unclear what will happen with winter sports that begin to practice in the fall and are expected to commence around the time that almost all campuses are letting their students go because of the combination of cold weater, covid-19 and influenza.

Hopefully, the IL will discuss that on Wednesday, as well.

 
welcometothejungle 
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07-06-20 01:16 PM - Post#310014    
    In response to rbg

https://fall2020.princeton.edu/news/princeton-anno...

Princeton announced their plan this morning as well, going with First Years and Juniors on campus in the fall, and Sophomores and Seniors on campus in the spring. Instruction will be primarily online, and students will not be required to be on campus if they are unable/unwilling. Athletics fees are being waived for the 20-21 school year, but no further announcement about athletics beyond referring to Wednesday's upcoming announcement

 
penn nation 
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07-06-20 02:02 PM - Post#310028    
    In response to welcometothejungle

Princeton is also offering a 10% tuition cut.

Not so for the folks in Allston/Cambridge.

 
mbaprof 
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07-06-20 05:34 PM - Post#310059    
    In response to penn nation

Looks to me like no sports this year. I expect massive no shows amongst students “allowed” back on campus and rebellion against paying full tuition for virtual classes


 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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Ivy Presidents to Make Statement on Fall Sports July 8
07-07-20 09:00 AM - Post#310076    
    In response to mbaprof

As for tuition, I believe the key is how finacial aid, scholarships and loans are handled. Normally, the formulas work up from the anticipated parental and student contribution. However, as many have been financially impacted, that contribution could be recalculated.

Also, Harvard's total cost of roughly $70K includes room, board, etc. Tuition is closer to $50k I belive. The average family contribution is $12K, which means that $58K was received in some sort of aid. Given the economic downturn, it is likely that Harvard's financial aid office is considering emergency requests to lower family contributions. Thus, the average family is likely going to contribute less than before. That's the real impact. In most instances, after family contribution is calculated, it may not matter whether tuition is $50K or even $40K or lower.

In addition, students that pay the full cost usually are very well situated to do so. Thus, for those students, there is a $20K savings (assuming a full year at home) or a $10K savings (assuming a semester on campus). Helps the 529 Account go further.

I could be off base, but I think that, although certainly dissapointing, a semester or year online provides some economic benefit to all students, thereby lessening the economic impact. Nevertheless, that part of the population inclined to bash Harvard and other elite instituations will seize on this, overlooking for the moment the more crushing financial impact soon to be realized by public institutions and community colleges. Oh, and for 90% of its students, Harvard was already less expensive than public alternatives.

Could be that this criticism of Harvard is more baseless hogwash.

Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 07-07-20 09:05 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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07-07-20 04:54 PM - Post#310094    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

I heard on the radio that tomorrow's announcement will say that fall sports are being moved to spring. We will see tomorrow.

 
welcometothejungle 
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07-08-20 10:42 AM - Post#310136    
    In response to Streamers

https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/12 808671197...
https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/12 808719248...

Adam Zagoria is reporting the league is expected to announce later today that it's pushing football to spring. As for what that means for basketball, he quotes an Ivy basketball assistant who says "I’m guessing they’ll reevaluate in December for 2nd semester. Doubt we play nonconference."

https://twitter.com/currenrr/status/12808 724422993...

Ray Curren says he's hearing the same. Will be interesting to see how the rest of the country follows in basketball as Ivy football is a little more isolated due to their lack of postseason and FCS status.

 
palestra38 
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07-08-20 12:22 PM - Post#310138    
    In response to welcometothejungle

Assuming no other football conferences do the same, Ivy football will be a very hot betting item next Spring if they can play then


 
welcometothejungle 
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07-08-20 04:30 PM - Post#310145    
    In response to palestra38

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1 280955217...

Now being widely reported that there will be no varsity sports in the fall semester in the Ivy League. The league will reportedly not entertain any sports prior to January 1, with winter sports getting more information on their practice schedules in the coming weeks. This would mean no non-conference play in basketball.

Some lack of clarity among the reporting as to whether fall sports are postponed or canceled. Some reports saying canceled, others say postponed with a move to the spring TBD. No official announcement from the league yet, although the league and ADs are reportedly on a Zoom call now, so I assume an official statement will be out by the end of the day

 
welcometothejungle 
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07-08-20 06:02 PM - Post#310153    
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https://ivyleague.com/news/2020/7/8/general -ivy-le...

The Ivy League's official announcement is now out. Some highlights:

- "It will not be possible for Ivy League teams to participate in intercollegiate athletics competition prior to the end of the fall semester"

- "Practice and other athletic training opportunities for enrolled student-athletes will be permitted provided they are structured in accordance with each institution’s procedures and applicable state regulations."

- "Fall sport student-athletes will not use a season of Ivy League or NCAA eligibility in the fall, whether or not they enroll. Students who wish to pursue competition during a fifth-year will need to work with their institutions in accordance with campus policy to determine their options beyond their current anticipated graduation date."

- "A decision on the remaining winter and spring sports competition calendar, and on whether fall sport competition would be feasible in the spring, will be determined at a later date"

 
bradley 
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07-08-20 07:12 PM - Post#310158    
    In response to welcometothejungle

Other than the IL, I suspect one to three other conferences will take similar steps. The IL will clearly be in a minority. If I was a high school recruit, I would take notice of today's decision.

 
penn nation 
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Ivy Presidents to Make Statement on Fall Sports July 8
07-08-20 08:30 PM - Post#310164    
    In response to bradley

Ohio State just shut down all voluntary workouts for all sports activities due to receiving results from its virus tests.

They did not release numbers, so this must have been pretty substantial.

Edited by penn nation on 07-08-20 08:33 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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Ivy Presidents to Make Statement on Fall Sports July 8
07-09-20 09:31 AM - Post#310169    
    In response to penn nation

Now CDC declining Trump and Pence's insistence that it revise its guidance, will just add more details.

Harvard and MIT sue over international students, other Ivies agree to join suit.

Virus spreading already within athletic workouts (Ohio State, Clemson).

President avoids Coronavirus task force meetings for months, decrees that schools must open, and tries to get his uninformed and political ends by threatening to withhold funding - something he is powerless to do.

West Palm Beach, responding to parents and teachers, decides not to open schools.

Tulsa spikes following political rally.

Record new cases, again and again.

Only remaining near term thread of hope, that deaths would stay low, disappearing as daily deaths in US approach 1,000 again.

Ivies lead again with online classes, reduced on-campus enrollment and no sports. But, what happens if hundreds of students fall ill? My experience when my son had mono suggests schools are not prepared for medical care that might be needed. We had to pick my son up - at the advice of the school - or he would have simply spent two weeks on a cot in a makeshift space. No infirmary.

Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 07-09-20 09:48 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
penn nation 
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07-13-20 11:50 AM - Post#310289    
    In response to bradley

  • bradley Said:
Other than the IL, I suspect one to three other conferences will take similar steps. The IL will clearly be in a minority. If I was a high school recruit, I would take notice of today's decision.



Patriot League is apparently following suit.


 
rbg 
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07-15-20 09:12 AM - Post#310359    
    In response to penn nation

An long interview at The Dartmouth with AD Harry Sheehy on the recent Ivy League decisions, winter sports, the possibility of moving fall sports to the spring and the school's recent decision to cut 5 varsity sports.

https://www.thedartmouth.com/article/2020/07/q-a-w ...

From the interview, it seems that the elimination of those varsity sports (men’s and women’s golf, men’s lightweight rowing and men’s and women’s swimming and diving) was done to cut 10% of athletic admissions.

The Daily Pennsylvanian contacted a high ranking member of the Athletic Department, who said they are not planning on cutting any sports.

https://www.thedp.com/article/2020/07/penn- will-no...

 
Streamers 
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07-15-20 10:16 AM - Post#310390    
    In response to rbg

Probably not the right time to revive my dreams of D-1 hockey at Penn.... sigh.

 
welcometothejungle 
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08-11-20 04:32 PM - Post#311415    
    In response to Streamers

https://twitter.com/RobDauster/status/129 328207044...

The Pac-12 has now become the first major conference to follow the Ivy League in cancelling all sports, including basketball non-conference play, through the end of 2020.

 
penn nation 
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08-12-20 01:27 PM - Post#311486    
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So the Big 12, ACC and SEC all say they are going ahead with football. With Notre Dame to be part of the ACC.

These are the very regions with the worst outbreaks and the worst levels of compliance by residents and government officials.

This is not going to end well.

And then Jerry Jones claims his Cowboys are going to play at home in front of their fans.

I guess the god of Mammon has an insatiable appetite, no matter the consequences.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/12/sports/nca afoot...

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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08-12-20 01:44 PM - Post#311488    
    In response to penn nation

If too many get sick, I guess the season will end, just like the way WWII ended.

 
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