PennFan10
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10-14-21 02:25 PM - Post#327151
In response to palestra38
There have been lots of examples more recent than the fab five. It happens every year that freshmen dominate the NCAA basketball landscape. It just hasn't happened in the IL, yet. I am betting that changes this year as Louis Lesmond is the best recruit Harvard has ever had.
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palestra38
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10-14-21 03:17 PM - Post#327153
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You have a pinky bet from me as to the regular season.
I'm not betting against them in the Ivy playoff at their high school gym.
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PennFan10
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10-14-21 03:40 PM - Post#327154
In response to palestra38
Sweet. You are on. I agree on the ILT
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iogyhufi
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Ivy Projections from Torvik
10-14-21 04:38 PM - Post#327159
In response to PennFan10
Man, Harvard will have to be careful not to let their inexperience cause them to lose those trap games in conference, otherwise they might get swept by Brown or Cornell!
(I kid, but I wouldn't pick Harvard to be outright RS Ivy champs for precisely this reason—it's too easy to drop winnable games with an inexperienced team. The tournament, however, is a different beast.)
Edited by iogyhufi on 10-14-21 04:38 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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SomeGuy
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10-14-21 05:29 PM - Post#327161
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I have questions about how Harvard’s returnees fit. The reason some of the projections don’t like them, i suspect, is that they will become even more dependent on Ledlum and Kirkwood, and neither has been a positive ORAT player so far. So statistically they become less efficient by counting on them more. Now, both players are very talented, so they could be high ORAT guys now. But when last we saw, they were not.
Yes, talent could win out, but Yale has a talented team and statistical evidence that backs it up.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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10-14-21 08:46 PM - Post#327165
In response to palestra38
I’m looking forward to seeing how guys who played behind their stars turn out. Catchings, Tretout and Sakota did play important minutes while newbies and Ajogbor, Pitcher and Hemings all have size. One or two of the latter 3 must step up.
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SomeGuy
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10-14-21 09:06 PM - Post#327166
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I think Yale will be fine up front. Admittedly, that is more based on years of observing Jones’ teams than it is on any specific players. Somebody just always steps up for Yale in the front court.
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welcometothejungle
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10-14-21 09:41 PM - Post#327167
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https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/ivy-2021-22-pr...
Continuing on the topic, Three Man Weave posted their always detailed league preview:
Tier 1
1. Yale
2. Penn
3. Princeton
4. Harvard
Tier 2
5. Brown
6. Dartmouth
Tier 3
7. Cornell
8. Columbia
Definitely worth a read
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PennFan10
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Ivy Projections from Torvik
10-15-21 12:19 AM - Post#327173
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https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/ivy-2021-22-pr...
Continuing on the topic, Three Man Weave posted their always detailed league preview:
Tier 1
1. Yale
2. Penn
3. Princeton
4. Harvard
Tier 2
5. Brown
6. Dartmouth
Tier 3
7. Cornell
8. Columbia
Definitely worth a read
"Outside of Harvard, Penn might have the most talent in the Ivy League; the problem is that injuries are a red flag large enough to cover the entire state of Pennsylvania. If Wang, Williams, Charles, and Washington (hell, even three of the four) can play the whole season, Penn could rise to the top of the league. If they all spend more time on the training table than the hardwood, then Brown could pip the Quakers for a top four spot. Donahue has dominated the Ivy before with skill-rich rosters (see: Cornell torching the league from 2008-10, Penn in 2018), but the range of outcomes here is gargantuan."
Edited by PennFan10 on 10-15-21 12:19 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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palestra38
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Re: Ivy Projections from Torvik
10-15-21 07:15 AM - Post#327176
In response to PennFan10
Sounds like what I said above---we could challenge for the title if healthy---challenge for 4th if not. No reason to think Jonah Charles---who was very highly rated and looked good in preseason prep before getting injured in 2019-- will not be fully healthy.
Still, Lorca-Lloyd turned down Harvard (something that almost never happens these days), and, with Dingle, Martz and Monroe, makes Penn as talented as anyone in the starting 5, before you add all the guys coming off of injury and the freshmen. It won't take all of the injured coming back strong for Penn to be very good.
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welcometothejungle
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10-17-21 09:45 AM - Post#327210
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KenPom's preseason ratings are out this morning. For the Ivy:
#164 Princeton
#165 Yale
#190 Harvard
#215 Penn
#251 Brown
#281 Dartmouth
#288 Cornell
#334 Columbia
First place I've seen Princeton #1 (albeit very slightly over Yale). The preseason conference ranking puts the Ivy at #23 out of 32 conferences, which would be the league's worst finish since 2010.
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