AsiaSunset
Postdoc
Posts: 4358
Reg: 11-21-04
|
11-17-21 07:57 AM - Post#328696
In response to Charlie Fog
Still a long way to go, but clearly that was an effort in the right direction. There are early signs that this team could be competitive in the league if they can continue to grind and grow.
|
10Q
Professor
Posts: 23360
Loc: Suburban Philly
Reg: 11-21-04
|
11-17-21 08:35 AM - Post#328697
In response to AsiaSunset
Having a team with multiple guys who can drain the three, and a bunch of guys who can shoot fouls is certainly different. It's nice to at least be competitive. I like Jon's optimism and am buying into that.
|
palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32803
Reg: 11-21-04
|
11-17-21 08:49 AM - Post#328698
In response to 10Q
Again, Jeff is Jeff, so along with UPIA, we expect a "Get off my Lawn" response to anything disagreeing with their world view (ok, view of Penn basketball).
But the trio of Dingle, Monroe and Charles is going to devastate teams at our level. What made me even more optimistic was that we are so deep that in deep garbage time, Bryce Washington came out with an attitude and aggressiveness saying, "there is no way I should be buried." And he showed it by being clearly the best player on the floor in the last 2 minutes. He would start for many teams at our level. If we get our big man rotation down, as it appears is happening, we're going to be very tough to beat.
On to Conway....
|
SomeGuy
Professor
Posts: 6404
Reg: 11-22-04
|
Re: vs Lafayette
11-17-21 08:50 AM - Post#328699
In response to palestra38
Matt Maloney was the Ivy POY playing with Allen and Bowman. That seems like a pretty good third.
|
palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32803
Reg: 11-21-04
|
Re: vs Lafayette
11-17-21 08:53 AM - Post#328701
In response to SomeGuy
I'm talking athleticism. Maloney was a great player. No, these guys are not as good as the '95 team, which also had Trice and Krug. But in terms of size, strength and speed, our three wing guys now are as formidable as any we have had since 1978. And remember, this is the first time they have played together. They are getting better by the game and will get much better.
|
palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32803
Reg: 11-21-04
|
11-17-21 09:01 AM - Post#328702
In response to PennFan10
Wang had a knee brace and was not moving that well. In this game, the last 8 minutes were garbage time--actually two phases of garbage time as we unloaded the entire bench (as I noted above, Bryce Washington looked very p-ssed off that he was in only in the last 2 minutes). I think Spinoso has shown that he does a lot more than Wang so far, so he is getting the time
|
penn nation
Professor
Posts: 21193
Reg: 12-02-04
|
vs Lafayette
11-17-21 09:04 AM - Post#328703
In response to palestra38
Spinoso has really grown on me.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, I feel like the team operates much better offensively when he is in the game in the high post.
SD really seemed committed this game to have a lot of different players bringing the ball up, operating the point, and trying different sets. No more Jordan Dingle show, and that made it much harder for Lafayette to defend.
Still, Dingle's ability to get by his man and create his own shot cannot be discounted. No-one else on this team can really do that, at least on their own.
Edited by penn nation on 11-17-21 09:06 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
|
TheLine
Professor
Posts: 5597
Age: 60
Reg: 07-07-09
|
vs Lafayette
11-17-21 10:05 AM - Post#328704
In response to palestra38
But the trio of Dingle, Monroe and Charles is going to devastate teams at our level.
This is true if our level is Lafayette.
The players in that trio all have pros and cons. They will need to prove themselves against more athletic and skilled players than Lafayette or even Bucknell because the top of the Ivy league is better than both of them. We'll know more over the next week. Until then, it's best to pump the brakes before getting irrationally optimistic based on last night.
That said, there were some positive signs last night. I do think Penn will prove to be a tough opponent that is going to be difficult to prepare for. But there will be some games in which the individual match-ups will prove too much to overcome. See George Mason.
Edited by TheLine on 11-17-21 10:11 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
|
UPIA1968
PhD Student
Posts: 1120
Loc: Cornwall, PA
Reg: 11-20-06
|
Re: vs Lafayette
11-17-21 10:33 AM - Post#328709
In response to TheLine
I suggest that Penn is easy to prepare for.
1. Pressure the ball. No true point guard - at least yet.
2. Overplay the three point line. That is the team's strength and Steve's emphasis
3. Work the paint on offense. No strong big man defense.
3. Pound the offensive boards. Probably limited to big guys.
|
palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32803
Reg: 11-21-04
|
Re: vs Lafayette
11-17-21 10:34 AM - Post#328710
In response to TheLine
George Mason is good, the game came after a nightmare travel situation and the team simply had not gelled. But I'm all for pumping the brakes, as long as they are pumped against the non-stop end-of-the-world pessimism we saw here after that game.
I just predict the Dingle, Charles and Monroe trio will terrorize our league after they play together for a while.
|
palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32803
Reg: 11-21-04
|
Re: vs Lafayette
11-17-21 10:38 AM - Post#328711
In response to UPIA1968
All I can say is that you don't watch the games. The team's strength is getting inside for easy 4-5 foot buckets. Steve does indeed want the team to shoot 3s as much as is competently possible, which makes sense. But if you overplay the 3 point line, our guys will drive into the paint at will.
And while we clearly have a PG who is going to be a good one in Slajchert, you are overemphasizing the need for a PG when all our guys can dribble. And if you were not impressed with Spinoso's high post game yesterday, you weren't following it.
Long way to go people.
|
TheLine
Professor
Posts: 5597
Age: 60
Reg: 07-07-09
|
Re: vs Lafayette
11-17-21 10:44 AM - Post#328712
In response to UPIA1968
I suggest that Penn is easy to prepare for.
1. Pressure the ball. No true point guard - at least yet.
2. Overplay the three point line. That is the team's strength and Steve's emphasis
3. Work the paint on offense. No strong big man defense.
4. Pound the offensive boards. Probably limited to big guys.
#1 doesn't bother me. There are enough players on this team that seem capable of playing with with ball in their hands. Dingle, Monroe, and Slacker are the top 3. My bigger concern is that there's not enough off the ball movement - no cutter like Betley - and no strong in the paint presence. Also there's no one who can drive to the hoop physically except maybe Monroe. Jelani, Dingle and Slacker can all get to the paint but can't get to the rim with any consistency. Rosen had the same problem but figured it out by his junior year so maybe there's hope. Rosen is a high bar though. Antonio Woods is another example of a player who figured it out, but he is a physical outlier.
I agree with the rest.
As far as #2 - P38 is right to a degree in that there has been more variety in the offense the past two games. But there wasn't in the first two games. FSU and GM batted back Penn's inside game with ease.
Edited by TheLine on 11-17-21 10:55 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
|
Cvonvorys
Postdoc
Posts: 4471
Loc: Princeton, New Jersey
Reg: 10-11-06
|
Re: vs Lafayette
11-17-21 11:31 AM - Post#328720
In response to TheLine
Surprising that Jelani is not getting more love (unless I missed it). 6-9 from three-point range, 4-4 from the free-throw line, and big enough & strong enough to post his man up down low. There's no doubt that his numbers would be better, but there are 5 players on the court but only one ball, and we have so many offensive options.
|
TheLine
Professor
Posts: 5597
Age: 60
Reg: 07-07-09
|
11-17-21 11:40 AM - Post#328723
In response to Cvonvorys
My bad. I omitted him in the list of guys who look comfortable with the ball in their hands. He can also get into the paint but not in a good way because he has no lift anymore. He isn't going to be useful as a post-up player for that reason. He also looks to my eye to be a step slow on defense.
I'm thrilled he's playing because of everything he's been through. He has persevered a lot. The injuries have taken a toll though.
|
palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32803
Reg: 11-21-04
|
11-17-21 11:43 AM - Post#328724
In response to TheLine
Agreed on Jelani. He lacks the lift of the other guys. But he still will be tough against Ivy level competition and brings a skill set that can be a nice complement.
|
Pete
Freshman
Posts: 12
Reg: 11-07-18
|
11-17-21 11:47 AM - Post#328728
In response to palestra38
Good morning,
I'm new to the site. I appreciate the information on the team.
What happened that Bryce has fallen out of favor?
|
penn nation
Professor
Posts: 21193
Reg: 12-02-04
|
11-17-21 11:49 AM - Post#328729
In response to Pete
It took a bit of time for Martz to get comfortable out there but once he did, he looked pretty good.
|
palestra38
Professor
Posts: 32803
Reg: 11-21-04
|
11-17-21 11:58 AM - Post#328730
In response to penn nation
He's asking about Washington, not Martz, who did look very good once he warmed up.
Washington was a top recruit and started great played all 30 games averaging 7.5 ppg in 20 minutes per game and shot almost 40% from 3. He was less effective to start his soph year and only played 9 games before missing the rest of the year with injury. So he's a senior and apparently has just fallen behind others who play the same position. But he looks healthy and strong. He'll have to fight for time since we have a lot of guys who are 6'4" wings.
|
penn nation
Professor
Posts: 21193
Reg: 12-02-04
|
11-17-21 12:00 PM - Post#328731
In response to palestra38
I know--did not mean to respond to him.
|
TheLine
Professor
Posts: 5597
Age: 60
Reg: 07-07-09
|
vs Lafayette
11-17-21 12:15 PM - Post#328735
In response to penn nation
If the sophomore injury (wrist?) is in the rear view mirror and Washington returns to Freshman form then he has a skill set this team can use - ability to get open on offense, can get to the rim, plays reasonably decent wing D if I'm recalling correctly.
He seems to be in Donahue's doghouse. While Donahue does have a doghouse, there is a path to work out of it and join the rotation.
|
