dperry
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01-15-22 05:06 PM - Post#333334
In response to dperry
78-68 final. All right, got it done. Also gonna have to pick it up on Monday against the furry hordes.
David Perry
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Chip Bayers
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01-15-22 05:06 PM - Post#333335
In response to dperry
Solid second half effort, shredding Dartmouth’s D and stepping it up just enough defensively.
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Quake Show
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01-15-22 05:07 PM - Post#333336
In response to dperry
Williams, Monroe, Slajchert the heroes of this game. High effort plays, playing tough basketball, active hands, rebounding. Great comeback
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dperry
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01-15-22 05:09 PM - Post#333337
In response to dperry
Speaking of Princeton, another nailbiter for them with Brown at home. Brown had two free throws with 20 seconds left to tie and could only get one.
David Perry
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91Quake
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01-15-22 05:24 PM - Post#333341
In response to dperry
Gotta give Martz some credit today also. Nice team win.
Maybe we can start the P game with the defense we seem to bring into the second half of some of these games?
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SomeGuy
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01-15-22 05:29 PM - Post#333343
In response to Quake Show
George Smith may have had the best game of all. Thought Martz played well on both ends other than the foul trouble. Martz, Mosh, and Monroe limiting Rai’s looks was key.
Wonder if at some point here an opponent comes in with a less Dingle-centric gameplan because of the way the Ivy games have gone so far. And then Dingle goes off. Hopefully the team has gained some confidence that they can win without Dingle scoring a ton (and hopefully Jordan doesn’t feel quite as much of the weight of the world on his shoulders).
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LyleGold
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Dartmouth
01-15-22 05:34 PM - Post#333345
In response to SomeGuy
I’m fine with teams facing us with a Dingle-centric defense if that opens things up for other guys. If you listened to George Smith’s post game interview, it seems much of our offense is based on getting the ball to Mosh in the post - both for his passing and that increasingly effective jump hook. In that case, opponents focusing on Dingle can only help.
Even when we went 5 minutes with Mosh and Martz benched with 4 fouls, we expanded our lead without a major contribution from Dingle.
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UPIA1968
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01-15-22 06:13 PM - Post#333351
In response to LyleGold
There is little reason to fashion a Dingle-centric defense for a player who averages about 20 minutes per game. Those are his IVY numbers. It was notable that Dingle satfor most of the last ten minutes of this game. He was not in foul trouble. Martz was but was still in.
Also Spinosa, although healthy now is playing less than ten minutes a game, including this game while Penn's only other 'big' man Moscovitz was on the bench for most of the second half.
This is truly a team of tweeners. They remain vulnerable to big men but are showing the ability to hold their own against smaller teams.
I didn't see any Penn stars today, but Martz, Williams, Slajchert, Smith, and Monroe were all solid. Looks like Smith is the real find among the Frosh this year, while Clark is definitely improving.
We should be pleased with a win like this on a day when Dingle was 4-11 and enough in the doghouse to sit during crunch time. It appears that Slajchert has moved ahead of him as the point guard and prime creating player. Sadly Jordan shows little progress over his performance as a frosh. In contrast the five I mentioned above including Clark, have all shown improvement since November.
KenPom has Penn back ahead of Cornell, but still finishing 7-7. This is the best guess of the results of 3-1 team after a very easy early schedule. Note that Ken Pom also has Harvard at 7-7.
This was an important win for a team with no margin for error. The Harvard start makes getting a win in one of the two games against them very important. This could be a year for tie breakers.
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Chip Bayers
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01-15-22 06:21 PM - Post#333352
In response to UPIA1968
There is less than zero evidence that Slajchert has passed Dingle in the guard rotation.
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SomeGuy
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Dartmouth
01-15-22 06:30 PM - Post#333354
In response to UPIA1968
You’re not understanding my point. Each of the last 3 opponents have come in with a similar gameplan premised on how to attack Dingle on both offense and defense. And in all three games, the opponent has struggled when Jordan isn’t in the game dictating what they do. I didn’t know if Dartmouth would do it, but they did. Eventually the scouting report will change, somebody won’t spend the whole week scouting how to stop Dingle, and when that happens, hopefully Jordan will be ready.
I also think you are simply analyzing whether a team has the size to outplay Mosh based on whether or not they actually outplay him. Yet there is an argument that Columbia has had the least effective frontcourt on the season of the four teams we have played. But they were most effective against us, I think in part because our gameplan to exploit their limitations ended up allowing Harding to get a million offensive rebounds.
Edited by SomeGuy on 01-15-22 06:35 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Dartmouth
01-15-22 06:41 PM - Post#333357
In response to LyleGold
I like when we play small. We’ve been a little hesitant to do it, but Martz, Monroe, and Williams playing together for a stretch works for me. Admittedly, I didn’t think we could get away without any of Mosh, Martz, or Spinoso out there, but Laczkowski did a quietly adequate job (and had one serious big rebound).
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LyleGold
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Re: Dartmouth
01-15-22 06:48 PM - Post#333358
In response to SomeGuy
Monroe is one of my favorite Quakers because of his versatility. He defends and rebounds in key situations like nobody else on our roster, and is starting to develop a mid-range shot. I wish he’d play more or even start.
Jelani is right up there for me, too. The guy has put every ounce of effort into every moment he’s on the court as if he’s trying to squeeze a career out of a single season.
We are far from being as Dingle dependent as some people say. Let’s hope opponents think we are.
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91Quake
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01-15-22 07:07 PM - Post#333361
In response to LyleGold
I love watching Monroe. And not sure what he did in the interim, but his free throw shooting (not just the results) looked much better this game. That is a necessity for how he plays.
And if this is the unathletic Jelani showing up on both ends of the floor, he would have terrorized the league if he had only, say one major knee injury.
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palestra38
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01-15-22 09:11 PM - Post#333370
In response to 91Quake
Game Story:
https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/penn/p enn-...
Game Photos:
https://www.inquirer.com/photo/photos-penns-78 -68-...
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LyleGold
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Dartmouth
01-15-22 10:10 PM - Post#333373
In response to palestra38
Wow, the Jelani photos are just unbelievable. The guy’s an absolute monster!
Jelani spends as much time on the floor as Lefko did, except he does it face first.
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Penndemonium
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01-16-22 03:29 AM - Post#333377
In response to LyleGold
I liked Jelani‘s effort and leadership out there. That play where he saved an out of bounds ball off of Dartmouth really fired up the team. There was a play that stuck out to me in the second half. He made a great move and had a wide opening to the hoop. Instead of taking it hard, he paused and looked for a pass. No one moved to the hoop and He eventually made the basket. It was overall good play, but he let the defense back into it. I’m pretty sure his pre-injury self would have hammered a slam.
That was a good second half. The team is pretty much what we expected. They are competitive, but not blowing teams away. They’ll lose a stinker to a bad team, but will compete against the good ones. I think they will make the Ivy tournament, but nothing is assured. Any team can win the tournament this year.
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OldBig5
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Re: Dartmouth
01-16-22 09:58 AM - Post#333384
In response to LyleGold
Wow, the Jelani photos are just unbelievable. The guy’s an absolute monster!
Jelani spends as much time on the floor as Lefko did, except he does it face first.
Agree. Mr. Hustle.
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Go Green
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Re: Dartmouth
01-16-22 10:32 AM - Post#333387
In response to Go Green
We're a shooting team. If our threes aren't dropping, we have a hard time winning.
I didn't see the game. But looking at the write-ups, it appears that we went cold and/or Penn defended us extremely well for an eight-to-ten minute stretch in the second half.
That appeared to be the difference here.
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SomeGuy
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01-16-22 10:38 AM - Post#333388
In response to Penndemonium
The best part of that play was that Dartmouth had run a guy around a screen and had an open cutter to the basket, and Jelani recognized where it was going and got his hand in the passing lane. Preventing the easy basket was a great play in and of itself. Out-hustling the passer (i think Adelekun) to the deflected ball and spiking it off him to get possession took it off the charts.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Dartmouth
01-16-22 11:21 AM - Post#333391
In response to Go Green
In the stretch where Penn took the lead and extended it to 10, I believe Dartmouth went nearly 4 minutes without a field goal attempt (they did get to the line a few times in that period). So not a question of cold shooting so much as not shooting. They did miss some free throws. But the turnovers during a stretch where Penn wasn’t missing did Dartmouth in, I think.
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