iogyhufi
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02-13-22 01:30 AM - Post#336270
Well, the last game against the Quakers followed recent tradition where Yale is hot garbage at the drafty old barn in University City. It should therefore stand to reason that this game will follow the recent home tradition where Yale plays like hot garbage for 36 minutes, then Penn chokes in the most improbable of ways (cf. 2018, where Donahue bizarrely outsmarts himself by putting in Human Victory Cigar Sam Jones in to shoot free throws, which goes poorly and costs Penn the outright title; 2020, when Penn loses despite 27% season shooter Devon Goodman going 6-7 from 3 due to blowing a ten point lead in 100 seconds of game time, an event later dubbed "the Fail at Yale" by the Daily Pennsylvanian).
I will be interested in seeing how the Bulldogs' recent big man Renaissance affects the game. Penn's bigs aren't exactly fantastic, and with Knowling putting his name in contention for ROY and Jarvis proving his mettle as a solid big on both ends, Yale has the potential to take advantage at the rim. It will also be interesting to see too how both teams' stars play in this game. How will Yale defend this time? Will the offense be up and running sufficiently well, or are they going to end up in another rock fight?
These are two big games for the Bulldogs: a sweep of the weekend all but seals an outright championship and the one seed. Hopefully the student body will come out in force to support the team.
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palestra38
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Re: Penn II
02-13-22 09:46 AM - Post#336282
In response to iogyhufi
..It's all about the Penn game. If Penn wins, it gets the tiebreaker. If Penn loses, Yale can still lose to Princeton and win the title.
But I'm looking forward to the game, despite the fact that we both know that it's 99% that both teams are in the tournament.
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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Re: Penn II
02-13-22 12:40 PM - Post#336299
In response to iogyhufi
I’m a Penn grad, but I just want to say how much I respect the trash talk.
Frankly, there’s not enough of it on this board.
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penn nation
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Re: Penn II
02-13-22 12:51 PM - Post#336303
In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
I’m a Penn grad, but I just want to say how much I respect the trash talk.
Frankly, there’s not enough of it on this board.
It tells you all you need to know that there was far more discussion of the H-Y game on the Penn board than on this one.
[Does this count as trash talking?  ]
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james
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02-13-22 01:09 PM - Post#336311
In response to penn nation
its a simple game plan.
trap dingle when he gets off the bus. and if they are banging in 3s off the reversal... live with it
i didnt know thats the son of dana dingle. no wonder. that u mass team was awesome. everyone remembers camby but Lou Roe was a beast on the glass and dingle was a baller too
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penn nation
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02-13-22 01:21 PM - Post#336313
In response to james
its a simple game plan.
trap dingle when he gets off the bus. and if they are banging in 3s off the reversal... live with it
i didnt know thats the son of dana dingle. no wonder. that u mass team was awesome. everyone remembers camby but Lou Roe was a beast on the glass and dingle was a baller too
Penn took them down to the wire in '93 in the NCAA first round, but got Saturday Night Massacred by them in Amherst on national TV in '95.
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LyleGold
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02-13-22 01:39 PM - Post#336317
In response to james
Long time Penn fans remember Dana Dingle well as he and Lou Roe were the backbone of the #3 seed UMass team that the #14 Quakers faced in the NCAA Tournament in Syracuse in 1993. Despite the first of three March Madness shooting disasters by Matt Maloney (4/16), the young Penn team held its head high in a 4 point loss knowing it had a bright future ahead. They would string together two more undefeated Ivy seasons, eventually setting a record 48 game conference winning streak. Maybe Dana’s memory of that team, with current HC Steve Donahue as Fran Dunphy’s assistant, along with some remarkable struggles against Temple in the Palestra (anyone remember John Chaney threatening to kill Calipari?), encouraged him to steer Jordan towards the Cathedral.
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LyleGold
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Re: Penn II
02-13-22 02:23 PM - Post#336324
In response to iogyhufi
Well, the last game against the Quakers followed recent tradition where Yale is hot garbage at the drafty old barn in University City.
Ha, so funny. I’d never take a cheap shot at Payne Whitney, as it’s the only other gym in the Ivies with any atmosphere whatsoever. I have taken shots at your coach’s tactics, especially in the early years of his tenure, but that’s a story for a different time. Just ask Jeff Schiffner.
But still, you’re not the first to make the mistake of referring to a magnificent monument filled with history and tradition as a barn. E.M. Forster, in his eminent, but at times cringeworthy novel, A Room with a View , (perhaps the best known of the genre about tightly wound 19th century Brits journeying to Tuscany and immediately unraveling), in reference to the Basilica of Santa Croce, which contains the tombs of Michelangelo, Macchiavelli, and Galileo, as well as important frescoes by Giotto and sculptures by Donatello, says,”Santa Croce, though like a barn, has harvested many beautiful things inside its walls.” Although the enormously important Franciscan church is not a cathedral, the Palestra is.
The Palestra: Cathedral of Basketball
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000TV4QT6/ref=cm_ sw_r_c...
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palestra38
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Re: Penn II
02-13-22 02:43 PM - Post#336330
In response to LyleGold
What's more, they replace all the windows 3 years ago (they no longer open) and it's not drafty at all
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LyleGold
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Re: Penn II
02-13-22 02:52 PM - Post#336332
In response to palestra38
It was really never drafty. It used to get so suffocatingly hot, even on the coldest winter nights, that they’d open the doors along the north side at halftime to let the air in. Those of us who have sat in those stands for decades are familiar with the refreshing rush of cold air at intermission, which also helps cleanse the Cathedral of the stench of “Yale’s hot garbage”, iogy’s only salient observation.
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Silver Maple
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02-13-22 03:30 PM - Post#336349
In response to LyleGold
If I were going to make a list of the top five things in the whole world that I don't care about, what Yale fans think of the Palestra would probably be on it.
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LyleGold
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02-13-22 03:42 PM - Post#336352
In response to Silver Maple
Yeah, well, those guys played the Safety School card recently, so their futile attempts to find a way to get under our skin need to be called out. Jealousy is generally a bad look.
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palestra38
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02-13-22 03:46 PM - Post#336353
In response to LyleGold
Let's not generalize and cause a flame war. One guy used the safety school line, and he isn't on this thread.
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LyleGold
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02-13-22 03:47 PM - Post#336354
In response to palestra38
You got something better to do?
I mildly toned it down, but that’s about it.
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james
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02-13-22 03:53 PM - Post#336357
In response to LyleGold
i have a piece of wood from the palestra as a bottle opener on my bar.
I scored double digits there as a freshman. Happy memory
Penn kicked our butt though
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iogyhufi
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Re: Penn II
02-13-22 04:04 PM - Post#336360
In response to LyleGold
Merciful heavens, who knew that the Palestra was such serious business? I certainly am not jealous of the Palestra, if for no other reason than that PWG is an ideal type of gym for Ivy League teams nowadays: it's small enough that you could feasibly sell it out in non-tourney situations, and it's small in volume so that it doesn't need to be full to get loud (and gets really loud when it is full). For whatever reason, students just don't attend games in the same numbers that they evidently used to do. I can't comment on Penn's attendance, nor do I care to, but given the usual attendance at Yale games, I wouldn't want Yale to play home games in an 8700 seat gym. It'd feel cavernous and empty all the time.
Anyway, back to the game at hand: I think a key matchup will be Martz against Knowling (presuming Martz has passed protocols by Friday). They're both undersized 4-men who can handle the ball well, but with generally opposite scoring profiles. If either one proves incapable of guarding the other, that will place a lot of strain on the opposing defense.
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james
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02-13-22 04:05 PM - Post#336361
In response to james
it’s all in good fun. The palestra is great. my worst memory there is not losing by 30 to Maloney allen bowman Krug etc.
It is watching harvard beat yale in the 2015 playoff live.
It’s a great venue and we hadn’t won anything in modern times which is why I trudged north to see live
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SRP
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02-13-22 04:19 PM - Post#336363
In response to james
Ten people in the Palestra sound like 100. The hearing-aid makers should subsidize the place for increasing demand.
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james
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02-13-22 04:19 PM - Post#336364
In response to james
really surprised knowling has proved to be so unguardable when he posts in the league so far. He has great length and touch but isn’t big or bulky. To stop him you can’t let him back you down to get to his left hand
Given he starts on the roll or slip that’s actually a defensive key and my guess is a focal point for anyone left.
he played well against st Mary’s I think but wasn’t yet getting the pt out of conference. Otherwise that would be the instructional video on how to stop him. Bc size and strength shld be able to negate his positioning
when he hopefully gets confidence in his face up game then the options will be hopefully more limited in how to defend him
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iogyhufi
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02-13-22 04:29 PM - Post#336369
In response to james
He reminds me a bit of Tamenang Choh (I stress a bit, please do not read this as me saying that Knowling is currently as good as Choh) in terms of style. He's an undersized post-up big with decent handles and a nose for the ball. I 100% agree that if he adds a face-up game he'll be a really tough player to guard going forward.
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