iogyhufi
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02-21-22 12:06 PM - Post#337149
The Bulldogs are looking for a bounceback in Hanover. New Hampshire has recently been kind to Yale, as they've won by double figures in Leede every year since 2014 (I have expunged all reference to the 2015 game at Dartmouth from my mind).
On the one hand, Dartmouth is still alive, and they rate to make the tournament if they win out. Furthermore, this is Yale's third game in five days and they have to make the interminable drive up there this evening, leaving hardly any chance for mental rest. Further furthermore, Yale only won the game at JLA by three, which implies that the game on the road will be difficult.
On the other, it's entirely possible that the Bulldogs were looking past Dartmouth a bit in that first matchup, given the Harvard-sized monkey that they wanted to get off their backs, and Yale will be upset after losing to Princeton and will want to wash that taste out of their mouths. Yale also has something to play for - aside from the fact that Princeton rates to lose at least one of their last three, Yale controls their own destiny for an Ivy League (regular-season) title, which means rings and a banner and a picture on the wall. Also, Yale is simply a more athletic team than the Big Green, and I would expect Gabbidon and Mbeng to get more or less whatever they want.
I don't think this will be an easy game for the Bulldogs, but I do expect them to win.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Dartmouth II
02-21-22 01:32 PM - Post#337155
In response to iogyhufi
On the Gabbidon and Mbeng thing, they certainly did not get whatever they wanted the first time around. Both guys played 30 minutes, and between them they had more turnovers (9) than shots (8). Datmouth defends pretty well, and Wade (who might have primary responsibility for Gabbidon) is pretty long and athletic.
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iogyhufi
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Re: Dartmouth II
02-21-22 02:13 PM - Post#337163
In response to SomeGuy
Ah, fair point. What I intended to say was that they would be able to collapse the defense at will, opening up possibilities for kickouts, but your point about Wade is well-taken.
Something else different from the first game: EJ Jarvis has made his presence felt on the defensive end in a way that he had not been able to to in Game 1. Adelekun was a major factor in the first game in a way that he may not be able to repeat in the second. Obviously, nothing is guaranteed, but at the very least the Bulldogs won't be giving up several inches on the inside again.
Edited by iogyhufi on 02-21-22 02:13 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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TigerFan
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02-21-22 03:10 PM - Post#337174
In response to iogyhufi
The Eli really should be focused on Saturday’s game against Cornell. Really no need to think about the green. The Tigers beat them by 45 points. No, nothing to see in NH. Just don’t worry your little heads about Dartmouth. ...
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penn nation
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02-21-22 03:18 PM - Post#337177
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The Eli really should be focused on Saturday’s game against Cornell. Really no need to think about the green. The Tigers beat them by 45 points. No, nothing to see in NH. Just don’t worry your little heads about Dartmouth. ...
Cornell? Piece of cake. A team the Quakers beat by double digits at home and was up double digits until very late at Ithaca.
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TigerFan
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02-21-22 03:29 PM - Post#337181
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Come to think of it, PN is right. Yale should really be focused on their game against Brown. Just a waste of time to do any game planning for Dartmouth or Cornell—their mascots are colors for Pete’s sake. Start focusing on the Brown game. Oh wait, that’s a third color. Start preparing for Harvard in the tournament. It’s always good to think ahead.
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penn nation
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02-21-22 03:32 PM - Post#337183
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Eh--Crimson's a color derivative.
How pathetic.
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TigerFan
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02-21-22 03:48 PM - Post#337186
In response to penn nation
I always think of beer can lids.
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iogyhufi
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02-21-22 05:39 PM - Post#337191
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Come to think of it, PN is right. Yale should really be focused on their game against Brown. Just a waste of time to do any game planning for Dartmouth or Cornell—their mascots are colors for Pete’s sake. Start focusing on the Brown game. Oh wait, that’s a third color. Start preparing for Harvard in the tournament. It’s always good to think ahead.
Not just colors - BIG colors. Much more intimidating that way.
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iogyhufi
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02-21-22 06:35 PM - Post#337197
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https://yalebulldogs.com/news/2022/2/21/mens-b aske...
Neat piece of info from Yale's game preview: Coach Jones is one game shy of Fran Dunphy's career Ivy League wins mark. When he retires (God willing a long time from now), he'll likely be second all-time in Ivy League wins at a school that was feculent garbage before he arrived. He's already in the pantheon of Ivy League coaches based on what he's been able to do thus far, but it's amazing to see just how well he's managed to do for himself in New Haven. A tip of the cap, and a belated happy birthday.
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penn nation
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02-21-22 06:41 PM - Post#337200
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You have to give Yale some credit for sticking with Jones for as long as they have. Didn't have too much success until the past 8-10 years but even in the early going he always had his teams fighting you tooth and nail.
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SRP
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02-22-22 07:31 AM - Post#337235
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It sounds stupid, but Jones’s teams consistently have the best body language in the league. Don’t know if that’s deliberately coached or is a byproduct of how Jones instills a balance of confidence and determination to earn it.
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Tiger84
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02-22-22 11:53 AM - Post#337242
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Jones would be passing Dunphy for *second* on that list, behind a guy from Bethlehem, PA who wore a lot of rumpled sweaters.
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penn nation
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02-22-22 12:10 PM - Post#337245
In response to Tiger84
Indeed. The rumpled one who needed to sit down a bisl more compiled an impressive 310-96 mark in the Ivies, nearly as impressive as Dunphy's 191-48 mark.
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palestra38
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02-22-22 12:15 PM - Post#337247
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But I believe he was 27-34 against Penn, though
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penn nation
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02-22-22 01:00 PM - Post#337254
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But I believe he was 27-34 against Penn, though
That was going to be my next comment. I don't believe Dunphy had a losing record against any Ivy team.
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bradley
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02-22-22 01:11 PM - Post#337258
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I have been a big fan of Coach Jones for many years and I would give him the edge of Amaker, Mitch and Donahue for at least the past 5 years. One can only imagine how good they would have been this year if they had Atkinson playing C rather than at Notre Dame.
His teams have mental and physical toughness to a somewhat higher level than other Ivy teams. The one area that he is not as strong as Mitch and Donahue is the creativity on the offensive end. Jones' teams are good just not very good on the offensive end. If Princeton or Penn plays as tough as Yale on the defensive end, Yale can certainly be defeated at IvyMadnes. Both the Tigers and Quakers have offensive skills and shooters to score enough points in one game if they play tight tough defense which is a question mark(s).
It seems that Henderson and Donahue lean towards one end of the spectrum while Amaker is very much on the opposite end, defense over offense, and Jones brings both to the table.
Amaker certainly appears to have the edge on recruiting but Jones has closed the gap and I would count on Jones in game situations over Amaker.
IL does have good coaches, thank goodness, including Earl and Martin.
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iogyhufi
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02-22-22 02:33 PM - Post#337267
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The one area that he is not as strong as Mitch and Donahue is the creativity on the offensive end. Jones' teams are good just not very good on the offensive end.
Let's check the tale of the tape on this, shall we? Per KenPom, in 2020, the Bulldogs lead the league in adjusted offensive rating, good for 73rd in the country.
In 2019, the Bulldogs had the 51st ranked offense, which was best in the league yet again. (Mitch Henderson had the 279th ranked offense and Donahue the 181st, despite both of them having top-100 defenses.)
In 2018 and 2017, the Bulldogs had a better offense than defense, and in 2016, Yale had yet another top-100 offense. If James Jones has ever had an issue with offense, it's certainly been a while since that particular problem has shown its head.
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bradley
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02-22-22 04:28 PM - Post#337287
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Stand corrected. Perhaps, Saturday night's bsll flow from Yale had an effect on my judgment.
I do think that talent has a lot to do with performance, i.e. Oni, Atkinson, Swain, etc.
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palestra38
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02-22-22 04:32 PM - Post#337291
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Princeton fans always have had a hard time understanding that performance is very closely linked to talent. It used to be all about "the System", now it's "toughness." In reality, it's almost always about the talent. The years Princeton has won, it's always had the best players. Same with Harvard and Yale--Cornell when Steve was there.
If Yale had Atkinson and Oni, Bruner and Swain again, they would have chewed up this league this year.
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