iogyhufi
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03-13-22 07:07 PM - Post#339064
Bulldogs get a 14 seed but have to play a very very good Purdue team in Milwaukee. I don't like this match-up for Yale; even though Purdue plays (relatively) mediocre defense, they have two massive centers, and that's not good for an undersized Yale squad. Still, hope springs eternal and anything can happen in March.
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SRP
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03-14-22 02:05 AM - Post#339114
In response to iogyhufi
Yale’s physical defense is unlikely to faze a team from the rugged Big Ten. But if the Eli move the ball and Swain goes off, they could stay in it.
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palestra38
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03-14-22 08:17 AM - Post#339119
In response to SRP
What you said at the end. Yale has one guy who can consistently create his own shot, but (at least this year) he's far better at shooting from mid range than 3's. Swain must play hero ball and draw a lot of fouls doing it.
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PennFan10
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03-14-22 10:17 AM - Post#339133
In response to palestra38
Swain has to run around off the ball to get open looks and Gabbidon has to appear as his unguardable version as well. That keeps the game from getting away from Yale but I fear those who take Purdue and give the points will be rewarded. tough matchup
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palestra38
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03-14-22 10:29 AM - Post#339135
In response to PennFan10
Agreed, but Swain can do it for Yale if it can keep it close. We've seen teams like Purdue come in overconfident when getting an Ivy.
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PennFan10
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03-14-22 03:46 PM - Post#339173
In response to palestra38
Purdue has seen multiple players in Big 10 play more prolific than Swain, all the while scoring at a high rate against much better defenses. And Yale has no plan B for creating shots. It's gonna be a problem.
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palestra38
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03-14-22 03:51 PM - Post#339175
In response to PennFan10
No argument. Swain has to be a hero notwithstanding the likelihood that Purdue can shut him down.
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SomeGuy
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03-14-22 05:45 PM - Post#339190
In response to PennFan10
Where I think sometimes a Purdue runs into a problem with a guy like Swain (or Dingle) is that they just think they have the athletes to defend an Ivy scorer and just put their best perimeter defender on an island with them. And putting anyone on an island with Swain is a bad idea. Makai Mason went off for Yale in the tournament a while back in part because of that approach against him.
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james
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03-14-22 09:10 PM - Post#339205
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i am surprised Purdue is rated so inefficient on defensive end but that could reflect tough conference bc when I watched they were unstoppable on o at least
But I think this is an impossible matchup if purdue shoots its percentages.
Ivey is all world and Goliath has great touch and is a mountain.
pressure is on perimeter shooting and to some extent the young bigs I would think as they will need fouls and activity in the paint to battle on the boards.
Seton hall matchup gives me nightmares. The lineup has evolved a bit but not towards size really.
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palestra38
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03-14-22 09:11 PM - Post#339206
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You're dancing....it's House Money!
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james
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03-14-22 09:24 PM - Post#339208
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Agreed!
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iogyhufi
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03-14-22 09:28 PM - Post#339209
In response to james
The team has evolved a lot mentally since the beginning of the season more than anything. I wouldn't be worried based on what happened against Seton Hall - the team now bears very little resemblance to the team then. Media, players, and coaches have all remarked on how different the team looked and felt in conference vs. in the non-con, and not all of that can be attributed to a down Ivy.
It's also worth noting that the Seton Hall game was a failure of offense more than anything else; Bart Torvik's website says that Yale was roughly average on defense against SHU, but their offense was putrid, and that's what sunk them.
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james
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03-14-22 09:29 PM - Post#339210
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the offensive efficiency delta is stark. I think u risk humiliation unless u do something different.
I don’t know if that’s a press or what but I don’t think u play them straight up. Of course this could facilitate a bigger debacle than slowing it down. pick your poison. they do turn it over a bit but so do we.
Ivey can play fast. And they can all shoot well. i defer
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james
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03-14-22 09:38 PM - Post#339212
In response to james
auburn was more encouraging as we fought hard. But worth noting that Kessler got hurt and didn’t play much.
Goliath isn’t the shot blocker Kessler is and he and Williams dont stretch the floor like Kessler/smith can.
anyway it is a different lineup. Knowling emerged but they can body him up better than u saw in league. You would like to see the bigs use the dribble on the ball screen action to draw fouls and pull the big guys out.
mbeng matches up athletically so u try him or gabiddon or likely both on Ivey. Foul mgmt is key
Also Jarvis needs to stay out of foul trouble and play the game of his life. He is capable of playing at this level but hasn’t fully clicked yet. This would be a good time to man up.
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SomeGuy
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03-14-22 10:46 PM - Post#339220
In response to james
Curious to see Knowling in this matchup. That’s another one where how much Purdue watches tape may matter. That said, the Ivies scout each other well, and he still gets that shot off — it’s one of those where it probably looks different coming at you when he’s got position, no matter how well prepared you are for what’s coming.
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SRP
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03-15-22 08:08 PM - Post#339300
In response to SomeGuy
Knowling is intriguing, in that he does some excellent things on both ends that are very impressive, but not that frequently. Might be a good time for a coming-out party.
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iogyhufi
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03-17-22 09:39 AM - Post#339425
In response to SRP
As a little mood-lightener, it's the 6-year anniversary of Yale's win over Baylor (and the subsequent hilarious answer that Taurean Prince gave to a really stupid question asked of him postgame): https://twitter.com/IvyLeague/status/1504 450324257...
Possibly the funniest part of the whole thing is that, by rate, Yale actually didn't outrebound Baylor: Baylor got 33% of all available ORBs and 69% of all DRBs compared to 31% and 67% respectively for Yale.
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palestra38
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03-17-22 09:49 AM - Post#339426
In response to iogyhufi
2:00 pm tomorrow on what appears to be a glorious spring day---find a place with outdoor TVs for this one. Keep it close and who knows?
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Stuart Suss
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03-17-22 09:02 PM - Post#339474
In response to palestra38
Purdue pre-game press conference
Yale pre-game press conference
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SRP
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03-18-22 01:52 AM - Post#339490
In response to Stuart Suss
Judging from the press conferences, Purdue won’t be overlooking Yale. They’ve been watching the video of their upset loss to North Texas since last summer.
Also Coach Jones is a riot. This sequence is priceless:
“Q. You played a pretty -- very competitive schedule this year, and you had some kind of one-sided losses to some really good teams early in the season.
COACH JAMES JONES: Nice. Well put.
Q. Yeah. So I guess could you maybe describe, maybe, just some of the areas that you feel like you've really gotten better at. And I imagine some of that was maybe some of the rustiness, maybe not.
COACH JAMES JONES: No, it had nothing to do with rust. It had everything to do with the fact that we had no post players. I started Jalen Gabbidon out at the 4, and he's a 3 man from the year before. And I started Isaiah Kelly at the 5, and he was a 3 man. We had no scoring at the basket at all. E.J. Jarvis was hurt. Jameel Alausa was out. E.J.'s back now. Jameel is still injured. He can't play.
But Matt Knowling was a second-year player that obviously didn't have his freshman year because of COVID. We put him in the starting lineup along with Bez Mbeng. So that team that we were at the beginning of the year with those lopsided losses we had, we're a little bit of a different team than we were then in terms of how we play and who we play.”
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