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Stuart Suss 
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03-18-22 07:32 PM - Post#339548    
    In response to james

Purdue post-game press conference

Yale post-game press conference




 
james 
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03-18-22 07:39 PM - Post#339549    
    In response to Stuart Suss

Gabiddon summed it up. he had a tough one. Air mailed some 3s and had to guard a lightning quick guy who was hitting early from 30

great career tho

 
Naismith 
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03-18-22 08:21 PM - Post#339554    
    In response to james

although in a sane world the regular season champion should have been there, Princeton would not have done any better; nightmare Ivy matchup.

 
TigerFan 
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03-18-22 09:42 PM - Post#339557    
    In response to Naismith

FWIW, Princeton's NET rating was quite a bit higher than Yale's and was a consensus #13 seed among all the so-called bracketologists. As such, they probably would not have been slotted against Purdue. Water under the bridge.

 
iogyhufi 
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03-18-22 09:54 PM - Post#339559    
    In response to TigerFan

I'm not entirely convinced of that - there's a rumor going around that the committee just splits the difference between the two teams in the ILT final and labels the spot "Ivy Champion," which may be suggested by Yale getting a slightly generous 14 seed this time much as it was by Yale getting an egregious 14 seed in 2019. Which, frankly, is shockingly lazy, given that the committee is compensated well enough that you'd think they could be bothered to make contingency brackets, but ah well.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-19-22 12:23 AM - Post#339565    
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That’s generous. I thought they gave us the lower seed. Why spend the final hours moving everything around to accommodate a weaker conference’s one bid?

 
mountainred 
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03-19-22 11:52 AM - Post#339577    
    In response to iogyhufi

  • iogyhufi Said:
I'm not entirely convinced of that - there's a rumor going around that the committee just splits the difference between the two teams in the ILT final and labels the spot "Ivy Champion," which may be suggested by Yale getting a slightly generous 14 seed this time much as it was by Yale getting an egregious 14 seed in 2019. Which, frankly, is shockingly lazy, given that the committee is compensated well enough that you'd think they could be bothered to make contingency brackets, but ah well.



I'm sure they do have contingency brackets for power conference championship games -- though Tennessee fans probably disagree -- but there is no real return on doing so for a 13 - 15 seed. Just create an Ivy slot and focus on the teams CBS talks about because outside of this board, no one will really care.

Now, an Ivy final between a "has to be a 16" and a 13 or so could put that theory to the test.

 
TigerFan 
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03-19-22 12:44 PM - Post#339578    
    In response to mountainred

The point of my original post on this was that in the era before the Ivies started holding the thingy after the regular season, Princeton would likely have been a 13 seed and so would probably not have faced Purdue. I was not suggesting that the committee gives a damn about the outcome of the “championship” game. I agree that having that game a few hours before the brackets are released very well could mean that the committee hedges its bets in most years (eg. If Princeton was a #13 and Yale a #15, just slot the Ivy team in at the 14.)

 
james 
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03-19-22 12:54 PM - Post#339580    
    In response to TigerFan

princeton might have been at 13. If not they would have been dismantled by a Purdue similarly.

Maybe they hit a few shots yale didn’t in 9 min drought. But they also likely couldn’t have held Purdue to the non free throw percentages

when a power 5 with size shoots 33 at the line and hits 80% u are f shopped unless u go off on 3

When said team can cover up your shooters bc there is no lane for 20 mins a game then ur percentages Shld drop with the fullness of 40 mins

it’s just pressure. When u have 6’7 midrange and long range shooters then u can overcome.

The ivies didn’t have that this year when I watched. Most power 5s do



 
TigerFan 
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03-19-22 02:08 PM - Post#339581    
    In response to james

We're saying two different things. I suggested that Princeton likely would have been a #13 seed if there was no Ivy tournament. You counter that if Princeton had to play Purdue, they would have done no better than Yale. Both could be true.

I believe that one thing most of the mid majors who pull off an upset in the big boy tournament seem to have in common is a critical mass of seniors who have played together for a number of years. All of the Ivies were at a disadvantage on this front this year because of the lost COVID year.

 
Tiger69 
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03-19-22 02:15 PM - Post#339582    
    In response to TigerFan

Thanks, ILT. As for MR James’ remark, now, we’ll never know, will we? BTW, 3 point teams play better with a little rest.

 
james 
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03-19-22 02:19 PM - Post#339583    
    In response to TigerFan

That’s fair.

Ideally the champion wins the most games. I guess with yale beating princeton in the ilt they were dead even.

Princeton did have a better offense. So matchups matter. But Purdue was just an awful matchup for an Ivy this year and most.

 
Tiger69 
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03-19-22 02:42 PM - Post#339584    
    In response to james

The point isn’t, “Who will fare better in the NCAA?” (although, sorry Eli fans, IMHO the Tigers couldn’t have fared much worse). It’s “Who deserves to go?”, a 2 game winner in a rushed thingy (I love that name!), or a full season champ of 3 months of work.
Give the winner of the GD Thingy the NIT where, BTW, it and the League have a much better chance of success. The real Champ (you know, the one who gets the banner) has earned the trip to the Dance, regardless of one’s perceived notion of whose chance of success is better. Final point: if the Champ probably will get a higher seed than the winner of the Thingy, whose chance of success is higher then?
Until the League is assured two spots, even one as a play in, screw the Thingy.

 
james 
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03-19-22 02:56 PM - Post#339585    
    In response to Tiger69

Princeton would have been dismantled by Purdue. They play terrible defense and would have no lane to play in for their one strength. The drive and kick.

The fact that yale beat princeton 2/3 this year is incredible.

We’ll take it. We had a flawed team and still won. w Atkinson even Wyatt yess or alausa I suppose 2/3 would’ve been disappointing but we’ll take it

As documented I didn’t expect to beat the spread against Purdue.

But to be win the league with a team like we had is like a cherry on a good dessert

 
james 
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03-19-22 02:59 PM - Post#339586    
    In response to james

We also got a great press in the nyt this week. I guess the whole league did.

But specifically yale gets called out for donating its best players to power 5 teams-mason Atkinson and bruner.

we’ll take it

 
SomeGuy 
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03-19-22 03:58 PM - Post#339590    
    In response to Tiger69

On the other hand, after the Thingy, you now have Yale with a better resume over three months of work (same record, but beat Princeton 2 out of 3 head to head). So cutting it off after 14 games actually seems more arbitrary in a sense. After 16 games, Yale was better.

So far, that has been the case every year (when the 2 seed has won, they’ve ended with the best record in the league after 16 games). Eventually we’ll have a year where that isn’t the case. But so far, the Thingy has added more information regarding who is deserving, not less.

 
gokinsmen 
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03-19-22 06:40 PM - Post#339619    
    In response to SomeGuy

No one knows what "would have" happened if Princeton played Purdue or a #4 seed. Who would have predicted St. Peter's over Kentucky? All we know is:

1) Yale played Purdue and got destroyed.

2) Princeton is ranked 40 places ahead of Yale in NET rankings.

3) Yale went to the NCAAs because they (barely) won the second game of a back-to-back.

4) Every Ivy team lost big time players due to covid transfers.

Yale won the bid fair and square, but it's silly to act like Princeton couldn't have done better - they almost certainly would have, though likely not enough to win. But 2 back-to-back day games is how the Ivy decides its NCAA rep and Princeton didn't TCB.

 
gokinsmen 
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03-19-22 06:47 PM - Post#339621    
    In response to gokinsmen

For the record, I still support the Ivy Tourney wholeheartedly - it's the idiotic scheduling and rotating hosts that needs to go.

2 morning games in 2 days at a site that might be the 4th seed's homecourt. What a joke.

 
LocalTiger 
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03-19-22 06:57 PM - Post#339622    
    In response to gokinsmen

I wish Princeton had won, and think back-to-back games are tough on a three point shooting team with little depth.
That being said, the traditional regular season was virtually all back-to-backs, so I am not sure the good old days would have been kind to us.

 
Tiger69 
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03-19-22 10:50 PM - Post#339629    
    In response to james

M.R.: Yale didn’t win the League. Get your facts right. Princeton did. All you won was the Thingy Cup. And, how can you be so damn sure Princeton wouldn’t have played better than your dogs?

 
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