SRP
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03-15-22 08:50 PM - Post#339331
In response to SRP
Down ten with 90 seconds left and VCU with the ball. Not looking too good, but high variance outcome is still possible with a shaky ball-handling team like VCU's.
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penn nation
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03-15-22 08:51 PM - Post#339332
In response to SRP
VCU broke that pressure a lot better than Yale.
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penn nation
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03-15-22 08:57 PM - Post#339333
In response to penn nation
The Friborg miss on the 1 and 1 basically ended it right there, otherwise that could have been an interesting final 30 seconds.
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SRP
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03-15-22 08:57 PM - Post#339334
In response to penn nation
Freiberg missing the front end of the one and one is killer.
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TigerFan
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03-15-22 08:57 PM - Post#339335
In response to penn nation
Had a chance to make it interesting but Drew missed the front end of the one and one. FT shooting once again is miserable.
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SRP
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03-15-22 08:59 PM - Post#339336
In response to TigerFan
VCU hitting its highest point total of the season kind of fits the narrative for Princeton this year. Princeton missing a ton of good trey looks does not.
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TigerFan
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03-15-22 09:02 PM - Post#339337
In response to SRP
That game was there for the taking but its a lot to ask the guys to come back from a tough weekend in Cambridge and one day rest to play such a physical team. NIT committee did not do the Tigers any favors. Proud of the team but that was disappointing.
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penn nation
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03-15-22 09:10 PM - Post#339338
In response to SRP
VCU hitting its highest point total of the season kind of fits the narrative for Princeton this year. Princeton missing a ton of good trey looks does not.
They did end up shooting 35% from 3, so not that horrid in the end.
This is the best team Princeton has faced this year. Most other years, I imagine they've probably played at least a couple of other comparable teams (if not better than that) in seasons when they've played in the postseason.
I think that showed in the sheer athleticism of VCU. Some close-in baskets that Princeton normally makes were thwarted, and some passes or drives that Princeton normally makes ended up becoming turnovers. And some of VCU's baskets on those drives were something that frankly Princeton hadn't seen too much of this year.
Princeton competed hard and represented the IL well tonight. Tough to play on short rest after such an emotional contest on Sunday.
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sparman
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03-15-22 09:29 PM - Post#339339
In response to penn nation
We cannot complain about lack of respect every year if we never win the first game.
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palestra38
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Re: NIT
03-15-22 09:50 PM - Post#339340
In response to sparman
Eh, it was a great season for Princeton. After a year off and a lost year of recruiting for all the Ivies because they insisted on not playing, they had the best team in the League.
But no Ivy team this year would have beaten this VCU team, which is just a ridiculously athletic team.
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gokinsmen
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NIT
03-15-22 10:22 PM - Post#339342
In response to palestra38
A tired Princeton team playing a well-rested VCU on their homecourt - automatic loss. Impressed this was even close for 30+ minutes.
Really sad to see a great regular season end so anticlimactically. It could have been truly special postseason, but we didn't take care of business.
On Sunday, that embarrassing final possession was a result of Jaelin and Tosan being unable to decide who gets the final shot. Next year, it's Tosan's ball 100%, no doubt about it.
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TigerFan
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Re: NIT
03-15-22 10:37 PM - Post#339343
In response to palestra38
But no Ivy team this year would have beaten this VCU team, which is just a ridiculously athletic team.
I’m not so sure P38. Princeton (or Yale, for that matter) on four days rest, as VCU had, might have been different. And even as exhausted physically and emotionally as they must have been, if Princeton makes it’s (lowly) season average of 65% of freebies instead of 36% and hits one more from deep, I think they win that game. Hell, your guys on their best night could have given them a run.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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03-15-22 10:44 PM - Post#339345
In response to TigerFan
Princeton lives and dies by its 3 point shooting. 35% (VCU) and 33.3% (Yale) just not enough.
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penn nation
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Re: NIT
03-15-22 10:46 PM - Post#339346
In response to TigerFan
Beg to disagree.
This was a step up in class for Princeton. Their schedule did not really prepare them for a team like this.
When Penn and Yale took a step up in class (or more) this year, it did not end well, either.
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umbrellaman
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Re: NIT
03-15-22 11:59 PM - Post#339347
In response to penn nation
I think that Coach Henderson got the most out this team - ultimately not deep or athletic enough to handle these teams - and probably hurt them here and in Ivy Madness. This was a classic Princeton team with an Iron 5 or 6. But it was two great athletes and two great three point shooting role players and Ethan Wright who was somewhere in between plus Allocco to spell the starters.
When you look at the last two teams to make the NCAAs, they had a lot more: Cook, Weisz, Cannady, Stephens, Bell plus Miller (lost Brase and Caruso) - Hummer, Maddox, Davis, Mavraides, plus Saunders, Darrow, Connolly, Bray
If Kellman hadn’t had injury issues and developed into a contributor this year - I think that might have taken them to the next level.
And I think they win Ivy Madness if it is at Jadwin as it would have been if not for the lost season. But I’m not as confident that they would have measured up in the NCAAs as Coach Henderson.
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Go Green
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Re: NIT
03-16-22 09:46 AM - Post#339355
In response to sparman
We cannot complain about lack of respect every year if we never win the first game.
This.
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palestra38
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Re: NIT
03-16-22 09:52 AM - Post#339357
In response to Go Green
The decision of the Ivies not to play last year will reverberate for some time. Had this not occurred, both Yale and Harvard would have been far better. Princeton managed it better than anyone and had the best team this year, but the Ivies as a whole would have been stronger (and Princeton unlikely to have been the best team) had none of this occurred.
I don't think we can look at it just in the sense that we never win the first game. First of all, lack of success in the NCAA's goes back to the 1980s, where the Ivies won just 2 games, but Cornell and Harvard's success and then Yale's first round win and the scare they put to Duke shows "it can be done." But we, as a league, are pretty much starting from scratch.
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sparman
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Re: NIT
03-16-22 10:27 AM - Post#339360
In response to palestra38
To be clear, I am not unhappy with PU's season or the coach's performance, which are independent of my well-established disdain for the outcome distortion caused by the tournament. I think as others have said we did much better than expected. And because coaching matters, I do not discount their prospects for next year. Good programs stay relevant.
But I feel there is a presumption outside the IL that we (the IL) aren't ready to play with the big and almost-big boys (and they don't want to share the pie anyway), so until we regularly show something in their events they need not be forced to recognize us closer to the manner we think is appropriate. We can rationalize close losses but they are soon forgotten by the powers that be.
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penn nation
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Re: NIT
03-16-22 11:00 AM - Post#339362
In response to sparman
Like you said, the big boys don't want leagues like the IL to do well.
They stack the deck against us. Try getting a game to play against them in your home arena. They even eliminated the portion of the erstwhile RPI which rewarded teams that played on the road against good teams.
College football is much the same. Nowadays you'll never see a team like Alabama have to play a single road game (i.e., where their opponent is playing at home) the entire season--and yet still at the end of the day be crowned a national champion, or be in the running for one. Teams from lesser leagues, even if undefeated, nonetheless get regularly disparaged.
But I feel there is a presumption outside the IL that we (the IL) aren't ready to play with the big and almost-big boys (and they don't want to share the pie anyway), so until we regularly show something in their events they need not be forced to recognize us closer to the manner we think is appropriate. We can rationalize close losses but they are soon forgotten by the powers that be.
Edited by penn nation on 03-16-22 11:00 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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joe nassau
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Re: NIT
03-16-22 12:59 PM - Post#339375
In response to umbrellaman
I don't know if I agree about Coach Mitch. The crappy ft shooting being one thing and Jaelin's slow starts being another? Smells of motivation? Maybe call a time out and say damn it Tosan make your #%$@ free throws?
I do have to say that Ethan Wright rocked my world especially with his rebounding? I would not be surprised to see him in the NBA one day? Like a Caruso or Reeves?
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