Mike Porter
Postdoc
Posts: 3618
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: 2024 Recruiting
10-05-23 04:26 PM - Post#358281
In response to palestra38
You’re right, recruiting is definitely just one element. Hard to argue any of your points here and agree.
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pennsive
Junior
Posts: 200
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: 2024 Recruiting
10-05-23 05:12 PM - Post#358282
In response to Mike Porter
I don't agree with the thought that but for coaching we had the best players and the best team. Princeton was better at 4 of the 5 positions, including way better at center and their sixth man power forward who killed us and looked good in the NCAA tournament. They were a Sweet Sixteen team for goodness sake. They would have finished second in the Big Five and would have had a much better chance of beating teams, or giving a game to teams that crushed us. Credit to them where credit is due. I do agree with you and everyone else on this board who has sounded off about our recruiting. Given what should be our built-in recruiting advantages, and the success some of the other sports team at Penn have had recruiting against the other Ivies, with and without built-in advantages, there is no satisfactory excuse for it. I never cease to be disappointed by Steve's inability to command the microphone, showcase himself in a way that someone would stand up and say there is a coach I would love to come to play for, and to make positive impact (in fact, more likely to make no impact whatsoever) when he is called upon to speak. That said, I am impressed from afar by his work ethic, and despite his obvious shortcomings, to have recruited what appears to be a very solid core of newcomers to the program. Go Quakers, and please prove everyone wrong.
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Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts: 1900
Reg: 11-29-04
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10-06-23 03:30 AM - Post#358284
In response to pennsive
I agree with Pennsive in all respects except I would be careful around the concept of built-in recruiting advantages. I'm not saying it doesn't exist - just that we've had 3 consecutive coaches unable to build off of it. I think being a college head coach is very hard, and not many are equipped to do it at an elite level. The Ivies will always have built-in disadvantages at the national level, so will always be looking for overlooked or developing gems. Those aren't easy to find. When we were perennial winners under Dunphy, there were many on this board that wanted him gone so that we could be stronger national competitors. The Ivy basketball game has only gotten tougher with recruiting, league competition, conference disadvantages, inequity in financial aid (however small), NIL, and more. I think our current university administration may also be a built-in disadvantage.
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palestra38
Professor
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Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: 2024 Recruiting
10-06-23 09:46 AM - Post#358286
In response to pennsive
I don't deny Princeton made a great run, but you are misquoting me. I did not say we had the best playerS and the best team. I said the following:
The team underperformed and in crucial situations, lost almost every time. The happened despite having the best player in the League, a quality young center and power forward, and a group of shooting guards the totality of which never gelled
I agree that Princeton was the better team. However, we had the best player and we had much better talent outside of Dingle than the performance of the team indicated. More importantly, WE HAD A 17 POINT LEAD AT PRINCETON WITH THE TITLE ON THE LINE AND BLEW IT. I cannot get over that. And I was standing by the baseline when Penn came out for the 2nd half and Steve looked all hot and bothered and was not at all confident looking. We came out looking to choke it appeared and we did. We then lost in the playoff game by hitting only 1 shot after we were up 1 with the ball with 3 minutes to go. We had our destiny in our hands (and I'm not even including the horrible loss at Dartmouth) and somehow blew it. At some point, the coaching staff has to be held accountable for bad losses, and the great Princeton run in the NCAA's has nothing to do with that. We were good enough to win the title
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SomeGuy
Professor
Posts: 6413
Reg: 11-22-04
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Re: 2024 Recruiting
10-07-23 12:00 AM - Post#358312
In response to Mike Porter
Mike — you were plenty clear. I wasn’t intending to contradict or argue with you. Just kind of building off what you were saying.
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Mike Porter
Postdoc
Posts: 3618
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: 2024 Recruiting
10-07-23 02:19 PM - Post#358314
In response to SomeGuy
Mike — you were plenty clear. I wasn’t intending to contradict or argue with you. Just kind of building off what you were saying.
Okay, thanks for clarifying. I wasn’t trying to argue with you either.  I just didn’t want anyone to misinterpret my comments because I agree with you that I don’t see much evidence of kids not liking playing for the program from the outside looking in on it. I don’t see as the problem.
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GoQuakersGo
Sophomore
Posts: 119
Reg: 11-21-04
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10-16-23 03:55 PM - Post#358459
In response to Mike Porter
Macon Emory committed to Delaware over the weekend:
https://twitter.com/EmoryMacon/status/171 370811237...
Per Twitter/Verbal commits, Penn had offered and he planned an official visit to campus (no confirmation if he actually went through with the visit)
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AsiaSunset
Postdoc
Posts: 4361
Reg: 11-21-04
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11-06-23 03:57 PM - Post#358781
In response to GoQuakersGo
Alex Massung has just committed to Penn. He’s an athletic 6’4 guard with a number of mid major offers.
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AsiaSunset
Postdoc
Posts: 4361
Reg: 11-21-04
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11-06-23 04:03 PM - Post#358782
In response to AsiaSunset
Alex Massung
Actually 6’3 with offers from Buffalo, Manhattan and Albany that I saw last month.
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Streamers
Professor
Posts: 8255
Loc: NW Philadelphia
Reg: 11-21-04
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11-06-23 04:26 PM - Post#358785
In response to AsiaSunset
good news... it seems the kid can score but 6 assists his entire junior season? I'd say he's a 2.
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AsiaSunset
Postdoc
Posts: 4361
Reg: 11-21-04
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11-06-23 05:04 PM - Post#358788
In response to Streamers
Don’t know if you’re just being facetious, but the game logs you are drawing this conclusion from are not complete data sets.
Reminds me a bit of Ibby Jaaber with maybe a better handle at his age. Of course, he should only be as good as Ibby was when he puts on a Penn uniform.
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OldBig5
Masters Student
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11-06-23 07:43 PM - Post#358805
In response to AsiaSunset
He can't be any good as this coaching staff has no idea what it is doing, right?
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Streamers
Professor
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Loc: NW Philadelphia
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11-06-23 10:09 PM - Post#358824
In response to AsiaSunset
I couldn’t resist.
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Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts: 1900
Reg: 11-29-04
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2024 Recruiting
11-07-23 03:12 AM - Post#358841
In response to Streamers
His 5th grade videos were very impressive. I'm not kidding. I didn't see high school highlight reels for him on YouTube, but saw full games from his junior year and a few clips of dunks and steals from recruiting sites. To be honest, I didn't see enough from him to have a clear view. He didn't seem to be the key player on his team - two other guys seemed to dominate the ball. The competition seemed quite good. He showed composure but the games on YouTube didn't seem to really showcase him as a player. He can shoot from the outside and penetrate. He didn't seem to be a fantastic finisher on the drives. He looks like he got a lot bigger, stronger, and faster late - he started dunking with authority in his more recent videos. I don't see him shaking up the roster unless he improves in his movement off the ball, his possession skills, his finishing, and his ability to run an offense. He's a good athlete and has skills. He looked like he has good potential, but he wasn't dominating his HS competition as far as I could see.
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AsiaSunset
Postdoc
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Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: 2024 Recruiting
11-07-23 09:35 AM - Post#358851
In response to Penndemonium
Alex was clearly a lead player on Hudson Catholic his junior year along with a soph (St John’s offer). Neither were supposed to be the lead guards on what was a loaded Hudson Catholic team heading into the season. Their two lead guards (Auburn commit, UVA commit) had season ending injuries right before the season started last year.
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Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts: 1900
Reg: 11-29-04
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11-07-23 05:31 PM - Post#358880
In response to AsiaSunset
I didn't have a ton of YouTube data points!
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Mike Porter
Postdoc
Posts: 3618
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Reg: 11-21-04
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11-07-23 06:30 PM - Post#358885
In response to AsiaSunset
Alex Massung has just committed to Penn. He’s an athletic 6’4 guard with a number of mid major offers.
Like to see another local commit and another athletic 1/2 combo guard. Hard to find much about him online but those mid major offers you mentioned look solid. Tapping into local talent seems critical.
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besnoah
Masters Student
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Reg: 12-14-05
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11-16-23 01:14 PM - Post#359303
In response to Mike Porter
AJ Levine, an Illinois-based guard, had an official and got an offer the day after the win over Nova.
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SteveChop
PhD Student
Posts: 1154
Reg: 07-28-07
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11-16-23 03:42 PM - Post#359309
In response to besnoah
The last player we had named AJ worked out pretty well.
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penn nation
Professor
Posts: 21205
Reg: 12-02-04
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11-16-23 05:10 PM - Post#359311
In response to SteveChop
The Penn Hillel rabbi in my days was Rabbi Levine.
He got canned, although personally I got along with him great.
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