Eric Von Zipper
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11-14-22 04:49 PM - Post#346537
Princeton -5 1/2 O/U 153 1/2
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gokinsmen
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UMBC
11-14-22 07:48 PM - Post#346542
In response to Eric Von Zipper
41-27 at the half despite an awful start.
For the first 5 minutes or so, there were defensive lapses on every possession. Then they finally cleaned up their coverages and hit a barrage of 3s to take control. Deven Austin deserves a ton of credit - he sparked the turnaround with big plays on both ends.
Tosan is really struggling to finish (0-5?). I think he might be playing with a minor injury since he was limping at the end of the Navy game. This team could be as good or slightly better last year's... but not anytime soon. Non-conf is basically going to be one long scrimmage - lots of promising youngsters, lots of rookie mistakes.
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gokinsmen
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UMBC
11-14-22 08:51 PM - Post#346545
In response to gokinsmen
Tigers win 94-64. We really needed that after two ugly, close losses.
I can see why Mitch is so high on this freshman class - they are loaded with talent. They just need more seasoning, especially on defense.
3pt shooting regressed to the mean (and then some), but I still need to see more from Langborg. He seems to be playing too tight and hesitant.
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1LotteryPick1969
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Re: UMBC
11-14-22 09:55 PM - Post#346547
In response to gokinsmen
I was at the game--just got home.
Nice win. Three freshmen on the floor at times.
Deven Austin was spectacular--great leaper. Caden Pierce rebounds very well.
Langborg suffers from having the defense hanging on him--not enough other shooters to spread the D, but that can change as others find the range.
The offense slows when the focus is getting the ball to Keeshawn down low. Everyone stands and watches.
X-Lee is the best penetrator.
Wow, is Mitch loud!
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SRP
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11-15-22 04:47 AM - Post#346560
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
I couldn't see this game (and no replay appears on ESPN+), but in the previous two games there was a real lack of swinging the ball from side to side so as to make the defense scramble. So much emphasis on scoring inside that perimeter players aren't relocating to get ready for kick-out passes. The lack of a true point guard may be coming to the fore, although Tosan and Kellman could stand to pass out of the post even when there isn't an obvious assist opportunity, just to get the ball swinging.
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1LotteryPick1969
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11-15-22 08:12 AM - Post#346563
In response to SRP
Mitch shouting: "Move!"; "Cut!".
The bench was constantly designating who was "hot". What is meant by that?
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westcoast
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UMBC
11-15-22 11:25 AM - Post#346569
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
The replay of the UMBC game is here:
https://www.espn.com/espnplus/player/_/id/ 2d9e2e6b...
Worth checking out to see the strong performance of the new players - Deven Austin, Xaivian Lee, Jack Scott, Caden Pierce, and Blake Peters. Tosan and Kellman struggled in the first half, but this group (along with Allocco) were the key to building the first half lead.
Edited by westcoast on 11-15-22 11:29 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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1LotteryPick1969
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11-15-22 02:03 PM - Post#346575
In response to SRP
I couldn't see this game (and no replay appears on ESPN+), but in the previous two games there was a real lack of swinging the ball from side to side so as to make the defense scramble. So much emphasis on scoring inside that perimeter players aren't relocating to get ready for kick-out passes. The lack of a true point guard may be coming to the fore, although Tosan and Kellman could stand to pass out of the post even when there isn't an obvious assist opportunity, just to get the ball swinging.
When Tosan and Keeshawn are both in the game, there is a problem with perimeter passing and with cutting.
When there are 4 players on the perimeter, the passing angles are less acute and the ball can swing from side to side more easily.
When there are 3 players on the perimeter, the passing angles are partially closed and more easily overplayed. The wing player can pass to Tosan or in to Keshawn, or to the top of the key, or cross-court.
At the same time, the options for cutting through are limited. The low post is right there on the cut blocking the back door, and he is bringing his man to Keeshawn.
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SRP
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11-15-22 09:44 PM - Post#346636
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
When they go two bigs, they need to work on interior passing. Find some video from Tubby Smith’s championship Kentucky team, whic did it better than anyone.
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sparman
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UMBC
11-15-22 10:26 PM - Post#346653
In response to SRP
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1LotteryPick1969
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11-16-22 07:40 AM - Post#346671
In response to SRP
When they go two bigs, they need to work on interior passing. Find some video from Tubby Smith’s championship Kentucky team, whic did it better than anyone.
So Tosan is less effective going to the hoop with Keeshawn on the floor, because there will always be a second defender to meet him.
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SRP
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11-16-22 02:39 PM - Post#346683
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
When that second defender closes in, instead of dribbling in and getting stripped. slip an interior pass to the other big man under the rim (ideally on the opposite side of the lane).. Layup or dunk should follow. If the defense rotates a third guy inside to help the helper, someone outside is open for a kick out pass.
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1LotteryPick1969
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11-16-22 04:05 PM - Post#346687
In response to SRP
Navy did this effectively against us in the first half.
The second big should cut along the baseline to the side opposite his own defender.
But let's be honest. Tosan has no shot more than three feet from the rim.
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Tiger69
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11-16-22 06:05 PM - Post#346692
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
I watched the replay last night and was really impressed by several of the freshmen that got significant PT. At least two seemed very quick. I don’t know what we’ll do up front next year. But, it looks good going forward for the backcourt.
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whitakk
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UMBC
11-16-22 11:42 PM - Post#346702
In response to Tiger69
Repeating analysis from earlier:
@Navy:
with Tosan+KK: won 52-36 on 40 possessions
otherwise: lost 38-21 on 28 possessions
@UMBC:
with Tosan+KK: lost 28-27 on 22 possessions (only played 3:00 together in first half)
otherwise: won 67-36 on 49 possessions
¯\_(:/)_/¯
Edited by whitakk on 11-16-22 11:43 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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1LotteryPick1969
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Re: UMBC
11-17-22 07:25 AM - Post#346705
In response to whitakk
@Navy:
with Tosan+KK: won 52-36 on 40 possessions
otherwise: lost 38-21 on 28 possessions
@UMBC:
with Tosan+KK: lost 28-27 on 22 possessions (only played 3:00 together in first half)
otherwise: won 67-36 on 49 possessions
Thanks for this; it reinforces what the eyes see.
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LocalTiger
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11-17-22 11:01 AM - Post#346713
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
I agree that playing Tosan and Kellman
together poses spacing challenges.
They are, however, perhaps our two most talented
players so we need to figure it out.
Tosan's passing genius and Kellamn's
offensive rebounding make using them
together possible, and spacing will improve
if 3s start to drop for the shooters.
In addition, playing the two together
makes us better defensively. Tosan is our best
non-post defender, and they both provide some rim protection.
We need to use the OOC to get comfortable with them playing
together a good portion of the game.
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1LotteryPick1969
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11-17-22 12:31 PM - Post#346716
In response to LocalTiger
In theory I agree with you.
However, much easier said than done.
I see them playing separately most of the time, with a slightly different cast of characters around each.
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SomeGuy
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Re: UMBC
11-17-22 02:50 PM - Post#346723
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
And what do the eyes see? That Henderson plays the bigs together when it’s working but not when it isn’t? Or that matchups dictate? Or just that whether it works is inconsistent?
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1LotteryPick1969
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Re: UMBC
11-17-22 05:31 PM - Post#346747
In response to SomeGuy
What I see is that there is a lack of synergy when both are on the court, and it affects Tosan quite a bit.
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