Streamers
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01-15-23 11:10 PM - Post#349628
PU only favored by 1. I thought it would be closer to 4. Expect it to move. Over is high at 145 FWIW.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Princeton I
01-16-23 01:20 PM - Post#349642
In response to Streamers
I expect we’ll see a lot more Kellman than other opponents have in recent games. Everyone has been playing big against us so far. And Princeton may be the team best suited to do it.
Should be a fun matchup. My guess is that Tosan will guard Dingle or Slajchert, which will be fascinating. How we guard Tosan will be tricky. I assume it will be Monroe for bigger minutes than usual. Mosh could be next up if Monroe struggles.
Spinoso going at Kellman on the offensive end may be a key.
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Streamers
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01-16-23 01:26 PM - Post#349643
In response to SomeGuy
I expect to see Monroe on Tosan, but what do I know? We may also see more of MLL than usual.
Remarkably, the line has moved from Penn +1 to -1.5. I don't get it. I do like the under at 145 for several reasons though.
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SomeGuy
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01-16-23 01:41 PM - Post#349645
In response to Streamers
I don’t think this is the matchup for MLL. I don’t think he can guard Tosan out in space away from the basket. Maybe he sees time on Kellman, or if O’Connell plays.
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Streamers
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01-16-23 02:04 PM - Post#349646
In response to SomeGuy
I don’t think this is the matchup for MLL. I don’t think he can guard Tosan out in space away from the basket. Maybe he sees time on Kellman, or if O’Connell plays.
That's where I was going with my comment.
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palestra38
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01-16-23 08:13 PM - Post#349685
In response to Streamers
Something is just off with Dingle. Bad decisions and poor execution. Needs to slow down the decision making
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penn nation
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01-16-23 08:24 PM - Post#349687
In response to palestra38
We’re not going to win this game with both Slajchert and Dingle being off. At least one of them must step it up.
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palestra38
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01-16-23 08:24 PM - Post#349688
In response to palestra38
Penn keeping it close despite the fact that once again, the guards who are among the nation's leaders, can't even come close to seeing a good shot.
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dperry
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Princeton I
01-16-23 08:31 PM - Post#349690
In response to palestra38
We're definitely forcing more turnovers tonight, and seem to be a bit better on defense in general.
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Edited by dperry on 01-16-23 08:31 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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penn nation
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Princeton I
01-16-23 08:31 PM - Post#349691
In response to palestra38
The #1 priority for Spinoso moving forward is to up his FT%. He can be a very useful player but teams will simply foul him in crunch time.
Edited by penn nation on 01-16-23 08:31 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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10Q
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01-16-23 08:39 PM - Post#349693
In response to penn nation
Loved that spin move.
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penn nation
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01-16-23 08:41 PM - Post#349694
In response to 10Q
So at this point Penn is what, 0 for its last 18 from distance? A miracle we are in this one.
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10Q
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01-16-23 08:46 PM - Post#349696
In response to penn nation
I’ve never seen Dingell play this poorly
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palestra38
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01-16-23 08:48 PM - Post#349697
In response to 10Q
We appear to have absolutely no game plan. Everyone simply takes it and makes a move. This is painful to watch, but only down 1.
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penn nation
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01-16-23 08:50 PM - Post#349698
In response to 10Q
He’s had stretches in the past. Even this year, he has had games with very very poor handles, that’s probably the biggest Achilles heel he has on offense.
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palestra38
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01-16-23 08:53 PM - Post#349699
In response to penn nation
Typical terrible last shot for Penn. I don't remember the last time Penn executed a really good last shot of the half.
Do we even have a single 3?
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10Q
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01-16-23 08:57 PM - Post#349702
In response to palestra38
We’ve missed all seven we’ve tried
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penn nation
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01-16-23 08:57 PM - Post#349703
In response to palestra38
No. The second half of Dartmouth and the first half tonight have been absolutely brutal in all shooting stats.
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dperry
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01-16-23 08:58 PM - Post#349704
In response to palestra38
On the other hand, we're playing better defense, with Princeton only on pace for 50, and given that they outheight us by a fair bit, we're doing well on the d-boards. Dingle considerably outjumped someone he's giving four inches to on one play. Streamers was right on the O/U; we'll be lucky to get to 110 at this rate.
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palestra38
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01-16-23 08:59 PM - Post#349706
In response to penn nation
This really is a must game, given what is going on in the League. We're lucky to be up 1 in a game where our offense is somewhere on Mars and Princeton is missing open shots. Not optimistic.
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caughtinasnare
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01-16-23 09:02 PM - Post#349707
In response to 10Q
Could be worse...I was at the Fordham vs Davidson game a few weeks ago and Fordham missed their first TWENTY 3 pt attempts...
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penn nation
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01-16-23 09:05 PM - Post#349708
In response to caughtinasnare
We missed our last 13 3 pt attempts at Dartmouth, and all of them tonight, so that’s pretty awful in addition to all of the turnovers.
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Chip Bayers
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01-16-23 09:07 PM - Post#349710
In response to penn nation
Lots of dumb mistakes by both teams in that half, but more by Princeton.
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palestra38
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01-16-23 09:17 PM - Post#349711
In response to Chip Bayers
But Princeton is consistently getting open shots--we're getting none
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10Q
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01-16-23 09:19 PM - Post#349713
In response to palestra38
I have officially shut this game off. Maybe that will help
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palestra38
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01-16-23 09:26 PM - Post#349715
In response to 10Q
At least you don't have to hear Vince talking about how Noah Savage likes his impartiality and then complements Dingle for taking a shot with a guy all over him and saying (incorrectly) that that is the shot Penn wants to take
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penn nation
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Princeton I
01-16-23 09:30 PM - Post#349717
In response to palestra38
Our two guards are 4 for 20. Still no made Penn 3 pointers. We are very fortunate to still be in this game.
Edited by penn nation on 01-16-23 09:31 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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palestra38
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Re: Princeton I
01-16-23 09:32 PM - Post#349718
In response to penn nation
And our inability to get the key defensive rebounds beat us against Dartmouth and is killing us again
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palestra38
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Re: Princeton I
01-16-23 09:34 PM - Post#349719
In response to palestra38
And then just a brutal call off the ball somehow on top of a 3 point shot--I don't see these calls ever but that was the 2nd of this game.
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dperry
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01-16-23 09:37 PM - Post#349720
In response to palestra38
Reffing has taken a violent swing towards Princeton here.
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palestra38
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01-16-23 09:39 PM - Post#349721
In response to dperry
The play has taken a violent swing towards Princeton.
I cannot begin to state how disappointed I am with this team. We're weak, disorganized, just bad.
Time to watch some football.
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Chip Bayers
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01-16-23 09:42 PM - Post#349724
In response to palestra38
Getting crushed on the defensive glass giving up second chance after second chance. That plus the 8-1 run of whistles favoring Princeton have created the deficit.
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penn nation
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01-16-23 09:42 PM - Post#349725
In response to dperry
Reffing has taken a violent swing towards Princeton here.
Par for the course. But it doesn’t really matter in the end. Our shooting has once again gone AWOL.
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penn nation
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01-16-23 09:49 PM - Post#349726
In response to penn nation
15 Princeton points this half as a result of offensive rebounds. That’s basically the difference in this game.
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Penn7277
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01-16-23 09:49 PM - Post#349728
In response to palestra38
This is so over and has been for a while.
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Chip Bayers
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01-16-23 09:51 PM - Post#349730
In response to Chip Bayers
Yet another game in which both the guards and the bigs are just utterly failing at post defense. Tigers just following the blueprint laid down most recently by Dartmouth.
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penn nation
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01-16-23 09:52 PM - Post#349731
In response to Penn7277
There was a time when we took care of Princeton on a fairly regular basis. Embarrassing that the futility has lasted this long. No excuses for this, not this year.
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dperry
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01-16-23 09:52 PM - Post#349732
In response to Penn7277
Well, this has been the biggest day of offensive futility ever. Time to head home.
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Penn7277
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01-16-23 10:03 PM - Post#349736
In response to dperry
Very discouraging.
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10Q
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01-16-23 10:07 PM - Post#349738
In response to Penn7277
Over and out. Maybe next year.
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penn nation
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01-16-23 10:46 PM - Post#349744
In response to 10Q
By my count, Penn is now 0 for its last 25 three point attempts.
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Mike Porter
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01-16-23 11:46 PM - Post#349756
In response to penn nation
I watched 0.0 minutes of this game and that was the right call. I didn’t know what happened until I got alert on my phone of the final, and that saved me a lot of wasted energy and frustration tonight. How sad is it that I had no interest in watching a Penn vs. Princeton game?
So in 2 weeks, it will have been 5 years since the last time Penn beat Princeton. I know because I was in the hospital while my first daughter was being born. Randomly still on my DVR. Who knew we could manage to lose at least the next 9 or 10 games over 5 years.
I looked at the box score, but it doesn’t really matter. Have no interest in watching “lowlights” and have no interest in hearing any excuses. Curious does anyone even interview the coaches any more? Would love to hear what they could possibly have to say.
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Mike Porter
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01-17-23 03:13 AM - Post#349768
In response to Mike Porter
Sorry one point to clarify, “only” 7 or 8 losses in a row (obviously no season reduced by two). Rest of point remains.
I did find a reporter who asked Coach Donahue a Q after the game “what would you tell the fanbase about the performance tonight?”
You can hear the answer here: https://twitter.com/davemreports/status/1 615180867...
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CM
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01-17-23 07:40 AM - Post#349773
In response to Mike Porter
Amazing that both Penn men and women lost to Princeton on the same day playing the exact same unwatchable style of basketball. They both had only 5 assists in the game and both coaches relied on the worst looking 'offenses' imaginable: Give the ball to your two best players and let them iso while the rest of the team pretty much stands around and watches. It is not winning basketball, never has been and never will be.
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andybech
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01-17-23 07:10 PM - Post#349818
In response to CM
Lack of a true point guard has been a problem for 2 years. They have willing passers but when they face a team that plays good man to man defense they just can't create good shots.
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