Columbia 37P6
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02-01-23 12:35 AM - Post#350566
In response to PeteD
Most important weekend of Columbia basketball since the 1960's. Save your ticket stubs, They will be very valuable someday
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PeteD
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02-04-23 03:56 PM - Post#350774
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T-minus 60 minutes to the battle that we’ve been waiting for. A Lion win today will just about lock up first place for the regular season… something that no Columbia basketball team has done since Levien opened nearly 50 years ago.
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cc66
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02-04-23 04:31 PM - Post#350777
In response to PeteD
Agreed! After today, the only remotely challenging game is Harvard away. Since we won by 26 at Levien, even the HCA should still yield a victory by a comfortable margin.
About today: I don't know whether you saw it, but talking about Princeton in the Penn postgame, Griffith actually said that Columbia was the better team. I have never seen a coach say that so explicitly about an opponent. Although it was good to hear as a statement of confidence, as a potential motivating strategy for Princeton, I am not sure it was so wise.
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Columbia 37P6
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02-04-23 04:47 PM - Post#350779
In response to cc66
Yes, this is exciting -- I am counting on the Greek Gods to make it happen. Go Lions!!!!!!
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cc66
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02-04-23 05:54 PM - Post#350784
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Horrible first half--down 36-21. Lots of Columbia fouls, many missed lay-ups--just one of those games where even the routine plays don't go right.
It will take a minor miracle to pull this one out.
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PeteD
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02-04-23 06:00 PM - Post#350785
In response to cc66
The Lions offense in the half court looks horrible, no movement combined with good defense by the Tigers. We’ll need to get up some shots in transition to get back into it (and get the fans into it). They’ll make a comeback, but 15 might be too much to overcome.
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cc66
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02-04-23 07:07 PM - Post#350788
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74-56. Nothing went right.
We'll probably be in a three way tie with Harvard and Princeton at 7-2. Beat Harvard in two weeks, and we'll have to face Princeton at Princeton in the tournament.
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Albert08
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 02-04-23 07:11 PM - Post#350789
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Princeton fans will be looking forward to listening to Coach Griffith's postgame presser tonight. Maybe she'll select her words a little more carefully.
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PeteD
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02-04-23 08:00 PM - Post#350798
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Well, I think it's clear... the spy balloon got in our eyes! Kidding aside, that was deja vu all over again... pretty much a carbon copy of all three games last year.
It's back to the drawing board for Griffith... Berube took away the 3-pointer and the Lions didn't have an answer. The Lions were a step slow all day... they looked like the team who took a 5-hour bus ride from Ithaca last night.
This loss was a double whammy... a blow to their momentum, but this will hurt their chances for an at-large bid if they don't win the Ivy tournament.
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Chet Forte
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 02-04-23 09:01 PM - Post#350825
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We were outplayed and also IMHO outcoached. We came out flat and when we fell behind started to play out of control. Bad passes, one pass too many, not able to stay with Chen’s speed, and most importantly terrible shooting. They moved our best 3 point shooter away from her comfort zone and as a result she was largely ineffective. I still harbored a faint hope that we would turn it on in the final quarter but Princeton is too good to let that happen. PS, an elderly Princeton fan was out of control—screaming at the refs, etc., making the evening even more unpleasant than it otherwise was.
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Chet Forte
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02-04-23 09:03 PM - Post#350826
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And on the men’s side I caught the second half on ESPN. Our lack of a front court presence was once more our undoing. This season can’t end soon enough.
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penn nation
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02-04-23 09:26 PM - Post#350834
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How in the blazes did you beat Yale? The rest of the league would like to know.
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Columbia 37P6
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02-04-23 10:29 PM - Post#350842
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Fair question penn nation. The answer is that the Yale probably missed what everyone else knows by now, namely that the Columbia's frontcourt players cannot match up with their Ivy League opponents. Columbia has some very talented guards, but no complete players up front. One guy is good on offense, but not defense, and vice versa. Credit the coach for somehow keeping his job with only 18 Ivy League wins in five years.
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Columbia 37P6
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02-04-23 11:07 PM - Post#350850
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Sad to say, but it seems obvious by now that anyone who thought Columbia's Men's Basketball Team would be competitive this year was wrong. So once again the Lions are playing out the schedule with the likely ending being another 1-13 record in the Ivy League. This weekend did nothing that would reasonably change anyone's mind about the future of the Columbia Men's Basketball Program. Engles' record now is 18-57 in the Ivy League and 45-113 overall including the two wins this years over Division III Vassar and SUNY Maritime.
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Tiger69
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02-05-23 12:42 AM - Post#350861
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I was surprised at the ease with which the Tiger Women won today. Credit Coach Berube and her consistent game after game defense as well as the constant movement of the ball on offense. I do not expect Columbia to fall so easily in the ILT. But, regardless of the performance of the Lions there, they have earned the right to an NCAA bid. I will be pulling for them against anyone but the Tigers.
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Chet Forte
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02-05-23 08:59 AM - Post#350876
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When Harding dropped off the team we lost a strong front court presence. Tavroff tries hard but lacks offensive skills; Stankard is very hesitant and plays without confidence. Bedri and Livingston do not have the strength to play in the front court. So we have a couple of nice back court guys with decent size but that isn’t enough. And for reasons unbeknownst to me at least I can hear it now from the administration: “While we are disappointed in the WL record we made significant progress with our very young team and look forward to next season with Jim Engles at the helm.”
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palestra38
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02-05-23 10:39 AM - Post#350890
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While certainly, an argument can be made that Engles has had enough time to put together a team and has failed, the time to have made the change was last year. This year, his top 5 scorers are a soph and 4 freshmen. There is talent, but raw talent. No one wins in this league with a lineup like that (although it explains the one-out win over Yale). Firing Engles now might well lose a couple of those guys and you end up with another start to a rebuilding process.
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sparman
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02-05-23 11:20 AM - Post#350913
In response to Albert08
Judge for yourself:
https://gocolumbialions.com/watch/?Archive=6671&a m...
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ToothlessTiger
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02-05-23 12:51 PM - Post#350926
In response to Chet Forte
I am an elderly Princeton fan who watched the broadcast. I saw little to challenge as far as the officiating was concerned. It was great to learn that the crowd was the largest in Lion women's history. Proves that fans will support women's hoops.The Tigers defended well in both games. Difference yesterday was the Tiger offense. Really on a roll since St. Rose began to produce.
The Tigers got a second bid when Penn beat them for the title in what was the last or next to last season before the ILT. This Columbia team compares well with that Tiger team.
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Chet Forte
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 02-05-23 12:52 PM - Post#350927
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All in all not a bad press conference. Where I might take issue is the statement that we “folded”. I think we were too tight and it showed with the missed shots and ill-advised passes and drives into traffic. My own observation about the loss is that we never seemed to find a way to get Hsu open looks. Quite a swing from blowing out a good Penn team and them on the very next day losing pretty badly against an admittedly very good Princeton team.
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