sparman
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02-05-23 12:59 PM - Post#350928
In response to Chet Forte
You and I have somewhat different impressions.
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SecS3
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02-05-23 01:14 PM - Post#350932
In response to Chet Forte
At least she didn't blame the loss on lack of effort or not wanting it bad enough. BTW, Abby HSu is now 12-48 from three in her career against Princeton.
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Albert08
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02-05-23 01:32 PM - Post#350935
In response to SecS3
But she did say that it was a "must-win" game for Princeton - but apparently not for Columbia-, so that implies that Princeton wanted it more than Columbia did.
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Tiger81
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02-05-23 01:37 PM - Post#350936
In response to sparman
After getting soundly defeated on her home court in front of a sold-out crowd I was expecting Coach Griffiths to spend a little more time giving credit to the performance of her opponent. Instead, she said Princeton "knew they had to win this game", which minimized the fact that the Lions were outplayed. And didn't Columbia come in knowing they needed to beat the 4-time defending champions?
And this, according to cc66 above, after saying the night before that Columbia "was the better team."
That was clearly not the case last night.
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Chet Forte
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02-05-23 04:57 PM - Post#350955
In response to Tiger81
I didn’t hear Coach G say that, and it doesn’t sound like her. I have said before that Princeton deserved to win; they were more poised and made their shots. I disagree that we came out flat. I think we came out much too tight.
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Chet Forte
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02-05-23 05:02 PM - Post#350957
In response to Chet Forte
I stand corrected; looks like she said it.
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LocalTiger
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02-05-23 05:16 PM - Post#350958
In response to Chet Forte
That was classy, Chet. They are both good teams, and IO hope
they both make the NCAA.
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PeteD
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02-05-23 05:47 PM - Post#350964
In response to SecS3
At least she didn't blame the loss on lack of effort or not wanting it bad enough. BTW, Abby Hsu is now 12-48 from three in her career against Princeton.
Lots to unpack w/ the game and the press conference... even last year when it was crystal that Princeton was heads and shoulders better, Griffith never admitted it... maybe to keep her team's confidence up? Last night, she talked about "executing better" and Hsu said they didn't play "Columbia basketball". They can say all they want, but it's clear they need a different game plan if they meet again in March.
Columbia had a season-low 8 assists! That's not due to a lack of execution! That's due to Berube making it very difficult for Columbia to do what they wanted to do. Case in point about Hsu not shooting well... Cunningham was in her face and the Tigers hovered around the 3-pt arc all game long. But Griffith made it too easy for Princeton... just look at Hsu's movement without the ball. There wasn't any! I think Hsu had one back door layup the entire game.
While Princeton's D was very good, they got away with occupying the 3-pt shooter's landing area at least a couple times in the 1st half... once on Pratt, once on Hsu. Griffith would be wise to get in the ref's ear next time about that.
Not too surprising to hear the Lions were only minus 3 with KD on the floor. They will not be able to beat Princeton if KD is on the bench for > 5 minutes. So, she MUST stay out of foul trouble. Ditto for Patrick... her defense is one of the keys to Columbia's success. If Griffith has to go deep into the bench, we're in trouble. Carly Rivera gets torched on D... it's almost like 4 against 5.
Speaking of the bench, Griffith mentioned Perri Page and they'll "find out more" soon. Page was hobbling around in street clothes, but NOT on crutches, which was a pleasant surprise. I hope she'll be able to play some games in March... sending good thoughts her way.
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cc66
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02-05-23 06:27 PM - Post#350969
In response to PeteD
Thanks for clarifying Griffith's comment about Page. I heard her post-game and didn't know exactly what it meant. But if she was hobbling around without crutches, maybe it's just a strain, and she can return reasonably soon.
I am still not sure exactly what happened yesterday, though I knew a minute and half in when layups bounced around the rim and then out that this was going to be one of those `regression to the mean' games, and on the downside, to offset everything going so well the previous night. We've had two games vs. Princeton so far, scoring, in regulation at least, 53 and 56 points. So it is not so much that Princeton's defense was significantly better, as it is that their offense has improved. Device a different game plan, get Hsu her shots, keep both KD and Henderson (instead of Rivera) in there, and maybe in the IL tourney, regression to the mean will revert to the upside.
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Columbia 37P6
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02-05-23 10:23 PM - Post#351000
In response to cc66
I agree with all the posted comments, and was not at the game in person, so I am uncertain about a few things. My only question, however, is whether the "hometown crowd," as large and enthusiastic as it seemed from afar, was a plus or a minus for the Lions in the early part of the game. I have seen many times before situations where the home team crowd makes no impact on the game and this seemed to be what was happening in the crucial early minutes of the games I had the impression that the Columbia players were understandably surprised that the refs called on Columbia a preponderance of the early fouls and that unsettled them badly. Having to play without Davis and Patrick early in the game was not something anyone really expected, Certainly there was no "Palestra effect" at Levien last night as the refs simply called several key fouls very early in the game against the home team. We all know how difficult it is to make the right call in basketball between a "charge" and a "block." So I am not blaming the refs for the loss--Princeton clearly outplayed Columbia--, but simply asking if the large hometown crowd had any impact on the game.
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PeteD
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02-06-23 12:19 AM - Post#351015
In response to Columbia 37P6
I wasn’t there in person, but the crowd seemed fantastic w/ tons of energy… don’t see how it could have been a negative in any way. I think Chet was there, so he or others could chime in more about that.
I was watching the Gonzaga at St Mary’s game last night… the SMC gym reminds me of Levien… it was jam-packed too and helped the home team complete its comeback.
Lastly, I saw some bad calls (from my point of view) that favored both sides.
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CM
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02-06-23 08:11 AM - Post#351017
In response to Columbia 37P6
Berube has proven herself to be a very astute coach who makes great adjustments during the season. While Penn played right into Columbia's strength friday night by coming out in a 2-3 zone, allowing the Lions to get open 3s and a ton of offensive boards, Princeton pressed up on Hsu and clogged passing lanes. Columbia had 22 assists against Penn and only 8 against Princeton.
Berube is smart enough to know if the athletically superior Lions get into transition the game is lost (something the Penn coach apparently never figured out, surrendering 30 transition pts friday!). So we can all hope for a rubber match in Ivy tournament finals.
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Dr. V
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02-06-23 12:54 PM - Post#351041
In response to CM
Re Griffiths's remark that Pr "had to win" the game, I of course can't know what she may have intended, but the rather obvious meaning was that since Pr was a game behind CU coming into the game, if Pr had lost it was unlikely that it would have been able to catch up to CU in the standings.
Re the home crowd: it was very enthusiastic to start but was then quickly taken out of the game with the early calls and Pr jumping ahead early. I suspect that if the game had been close throughout, the crowd would have played a bigger role.
FWIW, Page came into the gym on crutches and later abandoned them.
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Chet Forte
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02-06-23 01:09 PM - Post#351042
In response to Dr. V
I was there and thought that the refs were ok; both sides had some calls go against them but there was certainly no Palestra effect for the home team. I just think we were outplayed and outcoached and don’t like hearing that we didn’t follow the game plan. Princeton locked down Hsu by pushing her off her usual landing spot and she was unable to find a way to get open looks. Plus we missed a lot of easy buckets early in the game while Princeton was making its shots.
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Chet Forte
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02-06-23 01:11 PM - Post#351043
In response to Chet Forte
PS, who was the elderly Princeton fan sitting about 10 or 15 rows behind the Princeton bench? He was so out of control screaming at the refs that I thought we would need EMT for him.
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PeteD
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 02-06-23 09:34 PM - Post#351078
In response to Chet Forte
PS, who was the elderly Princeton fan sitting about 10 or 15 rows behind the Princeton bench? He was so out of control screaming at the refs that I thought we would need EMT for him.
Had to be Berube’s father or ToothlessTiger 
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Old Bear
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02-06-23 09:39 PM - Post#351079
In response to PeteD
He might have been a Penn fan who went to wrong game.
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Chet Forte
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02-07-23 01:06 PM - Post#351111
In response to Old Bear
More likely a Penn fan who showed up for the wrong game. Not sure why he was decked out in Princeton swag.
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palestra38
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02-08-23 10:19 AM - Post#351162
In response to Chet Forte
Penn fans just love Halloween colors.
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ToothlessTiger
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02-08-23 10:48 AM - Post#351163
In response to PeteD
Berube's father is a classy guy who would not ever do anything to embarrass his daughter or himself in this way. The other guy you mention? Not so sure, although in this case he was 150 miles away enjoying the broadcast and not seeing much to criticize in the officiating. The rubber match in this series will be something to see!
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