Go Green
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01-26-23 09:54 AM - Post#350225
Georgetown finally won a Big East game this week for the first time in a year and a half.
I always wondered if fired coaches get any satisfaction seeing their successors do noticeably worse with the team...
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palestra38
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Re: Wonder what JTIII is thinking now... 01-26-23 10:08 AM - Post#350227
In response to Go Green
I was going to say that Georgetown suffers from not having an on-campus arena, but Seton Hall and Providence have done much better than Georgetown without on-campus arenas. What do you think explains the downfall of the Georgetown program?
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Go Green
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Re: Wonder what JTIII is thinking now... 01-26-23 10:16 AM - Post#350228
In response to palestra38
I was going to say that Georgetown suffers from not having an on-campus arena, but Seton Hall and Providence have done much better than Georgetown without on-campus arenas. What do you think explains the downfall of the Georgetown program?
They may not have an on-campus arena, but they have an awesome on-campus basketball center that was completed the same year JTIII was fired. Ewing was literally given the keys to the center.
ANYWAY, I don't follow Georgetown as closely as I should, but the theories I've seen are 1) Ewing still prefers conventional lineups (a true center, a true point guard, a true shooting guard, etc.) whereas today's game all players are expected to do everything, and 2) he plays his best players in games too long, exhausting them by the later second half.
In any event, few would argue that Georgetown needs a change in leadership from Ewing. And a case could also be made that JTIII deserved a season or two with the new basketball center to entice recruits.
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mobrien
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01-26-23 11:43 AM - Post#350239
In response to Go Green
The rest of my family are Georgetown fans. The problem is simple: Ewing is the worst coach in the country. Specifically, his defensive schemes are horrendous. He teaches guys to over-help, always collapse on the post, and leave three point shooters wide open. KP has them ranked 281st in defense this year, which is just absurdly bad given that they do have some athletic players who should be able to guard pretty well.
On top of that, he's not a great offensive coach either. Or a good recruiter. But his defensive coaching is what sticks out as being particularly bad. It's extremely difficult to win in a major conference when your defense is 281st; you basically have to play perfect offensive games to win.
A good coach would probably win 5 to 7 Big East games with this roster. Ewing has one.
(As an aside: JTIII was in a death spiral when they fired him. Finishing in last, recruits de-committing, no hope. It's just that they found the one person who could do a noticeably worse job in Ewing to replace him).
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Go Green
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01-26-23 01:46 PM - Post#350251
In response to mobrien
(As an aside: JTIII was in a death spiral when they fired him. Finishing in last, recruits de-committing, no hope. It's just that they found the one person who could do a noticeably worse job in Ewing to replace him).
I'll fully concede that you and your family follow Georgetown Basketball better than I do. My own (less informed) opinion is that it certainly would have been nice to see if JTIII could have turned things around after the Thompson Center opened.
I live within walking distance to Georgetown and have been to many Hoya football games. I've seen the Thompson Center. It's a palace. When JTIII was there, it was widely regarded that Georgetown had the second worst facilities in the BE after Seton Hall.
But we will never know...
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palestra38
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01-26-23 02:23 PM - Post#350254
In response to Go Green
But with its poor facilities, Seton Hall has finished at .500 or above every season since 2015 and has made the NCAA tournament every year but one.
Don't think it's the facilities.
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SRP
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01-26-23 10:45 PM - Post#350279
In response to palestra38
In other former-Tiger coaching news, Joe Scott is slowly turning the aircraft around at Air Force. He has maybe the youngest team in the country and his one big man is hurt, but they recently pulled off their first three-game winning streak in-conferences since forever, then got beat by league boss San Diego State (after being ties deep into the second half) and got plastered by San Jose State. They have #25 New Mexico next, which could get ugly, but there's definitely some talent there now.
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sparman
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01-26-23 11:46 PM - Post#350281
In response to SRP
Speaking of Tiger coaches:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/01/09/a...
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SRP
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01-27-23 02:58 AM - Post#350285
In response to sparman
Go Mike!
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1LotteryPick1969
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01-27-23 07:43 AM - Post#350289
In response to sparman
Wish I could read this. It's behind a paywall.
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palestra38
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01-27-23 07:55 AM - Post#350290
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Brennan doing a great job at American U
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Albert08
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01-27-23 01:11 PM - Post#350299
In response to SRP
If you have nothing else to do, it's always worth about 10 minutes to watch one of Joe's post-game pressers on YouTube. I love listening to his thoughts in his Jersey Shore accent. It's all about "defendin" and "reboundin" and "takin care of da ball." Too bad that Jack apparently didn't listen to dad about defendin.
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1LotteryPick1969
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01-27-23 07:44 PM - Post#350319
In response to Albert08
Scott Greenman no longer with the program; I found him at Chattanooga under Brian Earl's brother.
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SRP
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01-28-23 01:31 AM - Post#350326
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
The baby Falcons had a lead in The Pit with 6:00 left in the game, but succumbed to the Lobo backcourt of Jamal Mashburn, Jr and their steal-master House. Entertaining game.
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Albert08
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02-01-23 10:39 PM - Post#350607
In response to SRP
Following the thread of former Tiger coaches, a nice article by Jerry Price on Bill Carmody's legacy at Princeton:
https://goprincetontigers .com/news/2023/2/1/mens-b...
Apparently, the 1997-98 team coached by Carmody that went 27-2 will be honored - 25 years later - before the game against Cornell on Friday night. Just what current coaches Henderson and Earl - both members of that team - need to make their jobs more complicated when Princeton plays Cornell.
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Go Green
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02-02-23 08:21 AM - Post#350611
In response to Albert08
Apparently, the 1997-98 team coached by Carmody that went 27-2 will be honored - 25 years later - before the game against Cornell on Friday night. Just what current coaches Henderson and Earl - both members of that team - need to make their jobs more complicated when Princeton plays Cornell.
Dartmouth beat Princeton at Jadwin the night that Coach Carril was honored in 2009.
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