Quake Show
Junior
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Reg: 03-04-20
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01-28-23 03:19 PM - Post#350343
All things going our way so far. Up 10 at the break, bench players playing great minutes. Fast ball movement to find the open man, not much of the familiar backing into the basket plays we've grown accustomed to this season.
Interesting choice that our tallest player on the floor at the moment is Martz/Laczkowski. Seems to be working for the time being
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Quake Show
Junior
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Reg: 03-04-20
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01-28-23 03:47 PM - Post#350345
In response to Quake Show
50-35 going into the break.
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91Quake
PhD Student
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Reg: 11-22-04
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01-28-23 04:37 PM - Post#350352
In response to Quake Show
Harvard does not play much D. And there outside shooting is not so impressive.
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SomeGuy
Professor
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Reg: 11-22-04
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01-28-23 05:32 PM - Post#350362
In response to 91Quake
Note that statistically Harvard is a top 100 defense and came into the game as the best defensive team in our league.
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TigerFan
PhD Student
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Reg: 11-21-04
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01-28-23 06:04 PM - Post#350367
In response to SomeGuy
Welcome back.
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Chip Bayers
Professor
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Harvard I
01-28-23 06:15 PM - Post#350372
In response to SomeGuy
Note that statistically Harvard is a top 100 defense and came into the game as the best defensive team in our league.
They looked more like that for some of the second half, but they sure didn’t in the first.
Anyway, the lesson of this game compared to some of the recent losses is that if the Quakers hit a decent # of open threes and get actual bench production from the likes of George Smith they can win comfortably even without much from Slajchert.
Edited by Chip Bayers on 01-28-23 06:22 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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penn nation
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Harvard I
01-28-23 07:15 PM - Post#350377
In response to Chip Bayers
This was an easy win (just watched the offensive possessions on the ESPN+ replay). Not many games this year where we've been able to do considerable damage inside, but this was one of them. Combine that with some solid three point shooting, and we were never seriously threatened. And kudos to Lucas Monroe who hit some FTs late. Cheap shot move by Ludlum in the final stretches--luckily Martz did not get seriously hurt, that could have been ugly.
Dingle now tied for 16th all time in scoring (Herb Lyons) with 1356 points. Next up: Bob Morse at 1381.
Edited by penn nation on 01-28-23 07:19 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Harvard I
01-28-23 07:27 PM - Post#350379
In response to Chip Bayers
Seemed like we had much better spacing today, which may have led to all of those things.
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Quakers03
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01-28-23 07:47 PM - Post#350380
In response to SomeGuy
They actually looked like a basketball team today. Great ball movement. Open looks. Made 3s. It was fun.
I’m not sure what flipped with George wearing the mask again recently but he changed the game. His defense down low was just awesome in addition to everything else he did. If he plays like that the team is infinitely better.
JD coming out hot was huge. He bailed them out early a few times and with Harvard missing 3s, they got that lead. I wonder if some of these once a week games might help his health.
The line changes in the first half were pretty aggravating but they did build a lead so I guess it’s what we’ll have to get used to. You’d think it would be tough to get in a flow but again, they scored 50 so…I’m sorry, and maybe Steve finally realized it too in the second half, but Jonah can’t be on the floor. Between going under screens and not being able to create a shot, he’s a liability. Why can’t we see Thrower or Ed? What happens at practice?
Max and Nick were big all the way around. Also, I went back and watched that Max late dunk attempt and I completely disagree with Vince. That was a total cheap shot from Ledlum and I hope they remember it for the trip back. He hit his off hand and I don’t agree he was going all ball. He didn’t want an emphatic dunk (which I get) but that was completely dangerous.
I like when they bring alum in for the weekend. I don’t like when they don’t announce them or ask them to stand. I saw Betley and Silpe but no one else outside of the usuals like Kegs. It was another very nice crowd.
Let’s see if we can’t take advantage of finally getting some home games. Next weekend is huge. Go Princeton. Go birds.
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penn nation
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Harvard I
01-28-23 08:01 PM - Post#350384
In response to Quakers03
At this rate, it would not surprise me to see Martz end up being the second leading scorer on the Quakers by season's end. This is not the same Slajchert we saw earlier in the season.
Edited by penn nation on 01-28-23 08:04 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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palestra38
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Re: Harvard I
01-28-23 09:10 PM - Post#350405
In response to penn nation
Great game, great crowd ( I was wrong students wouldn't come out for a day game). The key to the game was Dingle exercising his will early rather than deferring to his teammates as he has so often. This opened the court up to everyone else and both Martz and Smith hit open 3s and Spinoso and MLL went a combined 8-8 from the field. Penn played far better defense than it had in its losing streak and every Harvard run was quickly stopped. With Brown and Harvard losing, Penn's position is much stronger. Gotta sweep next weekend and then we're in good shape. Have to play just as hard (and use a full 9 man rotation as we did today) every game.
Just wish I knew which Monstar stole Slajchert's talent.
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91Quake
PhD Student
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Reg: 11-22-04
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01-28-23 09:39 PM - Post#350431
In response to palestra38
Clark started struggling after a couple huge performances and teams started keying on him (along with Jordan) from the get go. He has forced shots rather than let the game come to him. Creating opportunities for others (Martz, Smith, Spinoso) and those guys scoring like today will open up more good chances for Clark. He'll be back. He is not Jordan level at this point so his game has suffered.
I would also like to see someone besides Charles off the bench, whether Cam or Eddie, who may offer more on either or both ends of the floor.
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penn nation
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01-28-23 10:18 PM - Post#350438
In response to 91Quake
Also, after tonight's game, Dingle's 23.8 ppg scoring average is now tied for 2nd in DI.
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UPIA1968
PhD Student
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Loc: Cornwall, PA
Reg: 11-20-06
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01-28-23 11:27 PM - Post#350439
In response to penn nation
One comment on the game. George Smith is starting to become more aggressive on offense. The team is better offensively with him on the floor in place of the non-shooter Monroe.
Note that it will take very good play to make the Ivy tournament. Penn is in a three-way tie for fifth currently after Princeton, Cornell, Yale, and Dartmouth.
Ken Pon has them tied for fourth at the end with Harvard.
Note that the top three this year are fundamentally stronger than last year, averaging 48 ranking places better than last year. Penn is ranked 143 currently which would have tied for second last year.
The Dartmouth game will be a big one. I can't think of Penn and Dartmouth ever playing an important game late in the season.
A key to getting the five tough wins will be the continuation of balanced scoring to go with Jordan. That balance will free up Clark to do his thing. It is apparent that he is not good enough to score big against defenses that key on him. Jordan can. Clark can't
Put differently, with five scorers on the floor Ivy defenses cannot hold them down. Get that and only the defense stands in the way of success.
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Streamers
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Loc: NW Philadelphia
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01-28-23 11:37 PM - Post#350440
In response to UPIA1968
My optimistic takeaway from today is that this was a solid defensive effort most of the way and they got some offense from the frontcourt that more than made up for Slajchert’s woes. He wil come around. He’s getting good looks but nothing seems to be going down.
I really think with all the home games left that 9-5 is completely doable.
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slane
Freshman
Posts: 67
Reg: 02-09-05
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01-28-23 11:54 PM - Post#350441
In response to Streamers
The one contributor from today that no one is giving enough credit to is Laz. He didn’t score but he is always in the right place and does so many good things for us that aren’t readily apparent from glancing at the boxscore. His play, as well as George Smith’s and MLL’s today was key to our wire to wire win. Now win the rest of the home games and we will be just fine.
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slane
Freshman
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Reg: 02-09-05
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01-28-23 11:55 PM - Post#350442
In response to slane
Not a good night for the women
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Chip Bayers
Professor
Posts: 7001
Loc: New York
Reg: 11-21-04
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Harvard I
01-29-23 12:59 AM - Post#350444
In response to UPIA1968
Yale beating Princeton may actually increase the chance that the league finishes with no team in the KenPom top 100, unless Yale surprises and runs the table in its road-heavy schedule on the back half of league play.
Let’s face it, this league sucked last year and sucks again this year, it just has more teams bunched in the top 150 or so without a really good team. We’re staring down the barrel of another just-escaping Dayton 16 seed at best, regardless of who emerges from the second 7 regular season games and the Sadness.
Edited by Chip Bayers on 01-29-23 01:01 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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PennFan10
Postdoc
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Reg: 02-15-15
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01-29-23 02:51 AM - Post#350449
In response to Chip Bayers
Our league is KP #13 (KP #18 last year) right behind the WAC and A10, pretty high historically.
No real top 100 teams but 5 of our 8 are 161 or better which is just the 3rd time in KP history this has happened.
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PennFan10
Postdoc
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01-29-23 03:03 AM - Post#350450
In response to PennFan10
With the idea that in order to make the ILT you have to go 2-5 or better on the road and win all your home games to ......The team in the best shape by far is Princeton, despite the loss at Yale. They have 3 road wins with no home losses and play 5 of their last 7 in NJ.
Penn is actually next with 2 road wins and 1 home loss, playing 5 of 7 at home down the stretch.
Cornell and Dartmouth are in the next best position with 2 road wins and 1 home loss each but D plays 4 of 7 at home with Cornell playing 4 of 7 on the road.
Harvard is still ok with 1 home loss and 1 road win and plays 4 of 7 at home.
Yale is in trouble w a home loss and zero road wins as they play 5 of 7 on the road.
Columbia and Brown (2 home losses) are on the outside as both play most of their remaining games on the road
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Chip Bayers
Professor
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Loc: New York
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Harvard I
01-29-23 06:15 AM - Post#350452
In response to PennFan10
Lots of odd results on the path to that 13 league ranking:
* The league’s best win right now is … Cornell, Dartmouth, and Columbia over Yale.
* The best non-conference win is Penn over #107 Temple.
* The league’s worst loss is by it’s KenPom leader, Yale, to its KenPom worst Columbia—but Columbia & Dartmouth may claim that ignominious honor if Incarnate Word drops from their current #343 behind the Lions #345.
* Thanks to St. Joe’s recent 3-game win streak and a close road loss in OT to GW raising them all the way to #197, league standings leader Princeton right now has more losses outside the top 200 (Navy, Delaware, Brown) than Penn (LaSalle, Dartmouth).
Edited by Chip Bayers on 01-29-23 06:15 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Chip Bayers
Professor
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Loc: New York
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Harvard I
01-29-23 07:10 AM - Post#350454
In response to Chip Bayers
Also: hadn’t paid attention to how the transfer portal as well as teams switching leagues has really wreaked havoc on some of last year’s quality mid-major conferences. Look at the tumbles of the MAAC and the CAA from the mid-teens to the mid-20s in KenPom—with the latter, for example, having just this year added the long-struggling HBUC programs NC A&T and Hampton from the MEAC.
Even the MVC has been diluted and fallen just behind the Ivies thanks to replacing last year’s #10 Loyola with Belmont, Murray State, and UIC (Although the Ramblers dropping off a cliff this year in their new league sure isn’t helping the A10.)
Edited by Chip Bayers on 01-29-23 07:12 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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CM
Masters Student
Posts: 418
Reg: 10-11-18
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Re: Harvard I
01-29-23 09:34 AM - Post#350458
In response to Chip Bayers
I said it at the time and nobody here believed me and I'll say it again now: the cancellation of the 20-21 season did long term damage to Ivy League basketball as it relates to the teams' national viability.
Players missed a whole year of development and coaches are now saddled with explaining to recruits why their school's presidents treat their sports like they're D3. Add to that the changing landscape as it relates to transfers, NIL, and 5th year players, and expecting the Ivy programs to compete with other mid-majors as they did previous to 2020 seems foolhardy.
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mbaprof
Senior
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Age: 66
Reg: 12-24-11
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01-29-23 09:37 AM - Post#350459
In response to PennFan10
Friggin ridiculous that with all the Ivy brainpower,the league cant figure out how to a balanced home and away schedule for fairness,players and fans. Especially with a no doubleheader header policy and women playing almost mirror image schedule.
This year lets just make it as hard as possble for a couple of non traditional tournament participants to get in..
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CM
Masters Student
Posts: 418
Reg: 10-11-18
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01-29-23 09:50 AM - Post#350460
In response to mbaprof
Don't confuse the brainpower of Ivy students/faculty with the grinding mediocrity of their respective athletic departments. Stuffed with middle managers who create bureaucracy simply to justify their positions, athletic departments will always make the wrong decision given half a chance.
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yoyo
Senior
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Reg: 03-25-09
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01-29-23 12:46 PM - Post#350471
In response to CM
Great win and great atmosphere. Looking forward to next weekend after a Birds win today
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Mike Porter
Postdoc
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Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Reg: 11-21-04
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01-30-23 03:02 PM - Post#350513
In response to yoyo
Excellent win and glad to see the team bounce back at home after multiple rough losses. Next weekend is critical and I think you really have to sweep weekend to stay on track. Let's see what they can do.
Jordan Dingle is SO good, but finally got multiple players not named Clark to provide some scoring help. Only way we get anywhere rest of the season, that will have to become typical rather than a pleasant surprise.
I do have to wonder what is up with Clark though? Injured?
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SomeGuy
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01-30-23 03:42 PM - Post#350518
In response to Mike Porter
I have wondered about this. Slajchert doesn’t appear to have the same burst, particularly without the ball, since the Brown game. Always looks like he is skating more than cutting hard as he comes around screens, etc. Everything looks better when you are making shots, and guys knowing where you are going makes a difference, too. But while I see differences in how he is defended with the ball, i don’t see any differences when he doesn’t have the ball, yet he seems slower trying to get free. Maybe he needs different cleats. He hasn’t looked the same to me since that incredibly impressive Brown game where he scored 30+ AND chased Lilly around screens for 40 minutes.
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