internetter
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02-08-23 07:05 PM - Post#351182
It will be at (Columbia)
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PeteD
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02-09-23 04:28 AM - Post#351199
In response to internetter
I expect the women’s team to be in it (Abbey Hsu’s senior year with a strong supporting cast). I wouldn’t be surprised if the men compete for a spot too, but I know there are a lot of skeptics about Engels’ ability to turn things around.
Either way, Levien should be a fun/exciting venue for Ivy Madness next year.
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CM
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Re: Next year's tournament
02-09-23 08:17 AM - Post#351206
In response to internetter
So is the plan for every Ivy venue to host the Tournament at some point? Because, damn, Leede is basically a high school gym and Newman is essentially in Canada.
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palestra38
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Re: Next year's tournament
02-09-23 09:20 AM - Post#351218
In response to CM
Actually, Dartmouth is considerably closer to the Canadian Border (105 mi) than Cornell (160).
But at least there are hotels near Cornell. If indeed 5000 people were willing to travel to Hanover for a 2 day tournament, you probably would need tents.
Of course, few will go up there in early March.
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CM
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02-09-23 09:32 AM - Post#351219
In response to palestra38
5000 people better not try to come to Leede since it barely seats 2500.
And having spent years in both Ithaca and Hanover I can tell you Ithaca feels more remote (its proximity to Canada not withstanding).
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palestra38
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02-09-23 09:40 AM - Post#351220
In response to CM
Remember that they had to have separate admission for each game at Harvard, even without Harvard in it. They don't care that more people might attend than fit the location, despite the original intent of the Tournament was to be a grand Kumbaya where alumni and students from the participating schools will all mingle and attend the games in a spirit of sportsmanship (and superiority).
As for the remoteness, as someone who has travelled to both schools from Philadelphia, Dartmouth is a LOT more remote. I get that being close to Syracuse and Binghamton ain't exactly exciting, but Hanover isn't close to anything.
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CM
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02-09-23 09:47 AM - Post#351221
In response to palestra38
Hanover is a god awful hike from Philly, to be sure, but it's an easy 2hrs from Boston, about 3 from Providence and New Haven, and 4 and change from NYC.
Ithaca is 5+ from Hanover, Boston, and Providence and nearly 5 from New Haven.
All that said, having the Ivy Tourney in the Palestra every year is a no brainer.
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palestra38
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02-09-23 10:01 AM - Post#351222
In response to CM
Well, of course it is, but we know what happened there. And the Ivies have no appetite for paying to rent an appropriate size arena for the home schools which don't have an adequate facility for the tournament (all but the Ps)
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Stuart Suss
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02-09-23 10:51 AM - Post#351223
In response to palestra38
In 2018, during the second and final year of the Ivy Tournament at the Palestra, Grace Calhoun, then the Athletic Director at Penn, spoke with a group of fans.
Grace told the fans that the Prudential Center in Newark had made an offer to host the Ivy Tournament. The upper deck would have been curtained off; the luxury boxes would have been available, and the Prudential Center was asking a "very reasonable" rental price.
The Prudential Center is accessible by the PATH train from Manhattan and by mass transit from every other school except Cornell and Dartmouth. Huge numbers of Ivy alums live nearby.
I have never heard why the athletic directors rejected the offer unless even a "very reasonable" rental was too much to pay when the tournament could be held at Harvard or Dartmouth with all of the flaws that P38 and other posters have identified.
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