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Username Post: Penn II        (Topic#27013)
iogyhufi 
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02-13-23 01:03 PM - Post#351534    

I suppose now is as good of a time as any to start talking about this weekend. It seems like Yale is hitting its stride at the right time, but Yale is sitting on a 5-game losing streak at the Palestra.

Frequently, these Yale losses have come on the backs of career performances from the most random of sources (e.g., Eddie Scott's 18, and Brodeur and Scott combining to go 5-7 from three in 2020; Antonio Woods, a career 31% 3 point shooter, going 4-7 from deep in 2019; special mention to Yale's home game against Penn in 2020, where Devin Goodman and his 27% 3 point percentage on the season went 6-7 from 3, spoiled only by Penn having no Earthly idea how to break a press). So I guess what I'm saying is if you can get your bookie to give you odds on "Max Lorca-Lloyd to hit 2 or more threes," you should take it.

In the last matchup, Dingle had a phenomenal shooting day, marred by Penn's -8 TO margin and Mbeng and Jarvis going 5-7 from 3. I doubt either of those things happens this time, though the former is far more likely to recur than the latter. Should be a good one.

 
penn nation 
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Re: Penn II
02-13-23 01:26 PM - Post#351535    
    In response to iogyhufi

Dingle's performance from 3 was no outlier. He has shot 50% or higher from distance in 5 out of his last 6 games, with Yale being the first of those.



 
iogyhufi 
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Re: Penn II
02-13-23 03:42 PM - Post#351550    
    In response to penn nation

Granted, but that's just a crazy high percentage to sustain long-term, especially at the rate he shoots threes. Dingle is very, very good, don't get me wrong, but if he sustains that level of shooting performance, he would be an NBA lottery pick.

(I would also be remiss if I didn't point out that two of those performances came against Hartford and Cornell, who have the 360th and 290th ranked defenses in the country, respectively. Torching Harvard twice is definitely impressive though.)

 
penn nation 
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Re: Penn II
02-13-23 03:57 PM - Post#351553    
    In response to iogyhufi

He is shooting 39 percent from distance for the year in IL games. And that's including two clunkers (0 for 5 in Cornell I and 0 for 6 in Princeton I).

It's pick your poison with him--play him too tight and he will likely break you down and head to the FT line, where he has one of the better FT%s in the league and has 18 more made FTs than his nearest Ivy pursuer.

His 3 point and FT shooting percentages have improved each year. The form is very solid.

 
james 
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02-13-23 09:41 PM - Post#351570    
    In response to penn nation

The kid is terrific and unguardable when the 3 ball drops. And if it doesn't and he gets a favorable whistle then that's also amajor problem.
as noted Yale hasn't shot well or played well at the palestra in forever.
I will be curious how Yale guards him. The trick is we can't afford mbeng to get in foul trouble bc he is so important to get the offense going w his ball penetration.
My guess is they trap him whenever possible but it certainly presents quite the dilemma on the road in a facility that we haven't played well since maybe the semi against harvard

 
iogyhufi 
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02-13-23 10:00 PM - Post#351571    
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The semi against Harvard was the last time Yale won in the Palestra. My penny-ante idea: hard-hedge/ice Dingle off of ball screens, forcing the ball out of his hands. Monroe and Spinoso are not really shooters, so the players guarding them can afford to help guard the screener while they scramble to recover.

I would also tell Mbeng that the best thing he can do is avoid the cheap fouls he often picks up for playing aggressive defense (he usually thinks they're weak calls, and I agree, but they always get called). If he keeps his arms outstretched and makes Dingle finish over him, that's about all you can ask, I think.

Edited by iogyhufi on 02-13-23 10:04 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
penn nation 
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Re: Penn II
02-13-23 10:07 PM - Post#351572    
    In response to iogyhufi

In recent games, Dingle has not been the main ball handler. Monroe often brings it up, and sometimes Spinoso will handle it in the high post where he'll occasionally find a cutting Dingle for an easy layup or two.

 
iogyhufi 
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Re: Penn II
02-14-23 11:53 PM - Post#351626    
    In response to penn nation

Something that just occurred to me today: in the last game against Penn, Matt Knowling was nearly invisible - just 5 points on 4 shots. In the past three games, he averaged 18/6 and was the KenPom MVP in all three.

Based on Penn's personnel, I'd think Knowling would be a tough cover for them. I don't recall whether Penn did something particular to guard him in the last matchup, but now that he seems to be fully recovered from his injury, I wonder if things will be different.

 
iogyhufi 
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Re: Penn II
02-17-23 10:03 PM - Post#351821    
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Very poor effort from Yale compounded by poor luck with Knowling getting hurt. Officiating was brutal but you can't expect a friendly whistle on the road. Would've been nice to take advantage of an off shooting night from Dingle but no dice. Yale getting bossed on the boards simply cannot happen.

Well, beat Princeton tomorrow night and you still control your own destiny for the 1 seed (as much as the Ps would like to relive their glory days).

 
LocalTiger 
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02-17-23 10:41 PM - Post#351836    
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What happened to Knowling?

 
iogyhufi 
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02-17-23 10:45 PM - Post#351838    
    In response to LocalTiger

He rolled his ankle. Looked bad in real time, but he came back to the bench with an ankle brace and looked to be moving a bit better. I'm not optimistic he plays tomorrow, but we'll see.

 
LocalTiger 
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02-17-23 10:47 PM - Post#351839    
    In response to iogyhufi

That explains the result.
Hope he can play the rest of year.
He is special.

 
yoyo 
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02-17-23 11:01 PM - Post#351843    
    In response to LocalTiger

Lol that explains the result!

 
Chip Bayers 
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02-17-23 11:29 PM - Post#351851    
    In response to yoyo

Knowling had not been much of a factor in the game prior to his injury. Scored a couple of buckets early the first half, but was denied possession and/or gave the ball up a lot when he wasn’t in good scoring position, so was kind of invisible for long stretches before the injury—very similar to what happened in the game in New Haven.


 
weinhauers_ghost 
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02-18-23 12:38 AM - Post#351859    
    In response to Chip Bayers

Martz and Monroe were the primary defenders on Knowling and they did a good job on him.

 
iogyhufi 
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02-18-23 12:57 AM - Post#351860    
    In response to weinhauers_ghost

I mean, consider that having a player on the floor vs. not changes other things. Knowling is a threat that needs to be guarded carefully, but his replacement may not be that big of a threat. He also isn't eating up any minutes, so his minutes have to go to someone who isn't as good.

Also, I'm sure if Nick Spinoso, who was thoroughly mediocre tonight, had been injured mid-game and Penn had lost, we'd be hearing about it.

 
iogyhufi 
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Penn II
02-18-23 01:02 AM - Post#351861    
    In response to iogyhufi

The foul discrepancy was 23-12, and that included a Nick Spinoso technical. If you want to point to one thing that would "explain it," that's a good starting point.

(Again, don't get me wrong, Yale played very poorly for large stretches of the game, they had plenty of chances to put Penn away and failed on their own merits, but the officials did not in any way help.)

Edited by iogyhufi on 02-18-23 01:02 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Quakers03 
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02-18-23 01:02 AM - Post#351862    
    In response to yoyo

He makes it so easy to hate them, doesn’t he.

 
Chip Bayers 
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02-18-23 01:07 AM - Post#351864    
    In response to iogyhufi

Given that Spinoso was thoroughly mediocre, an injury would have meant more minutes for Lorca-Lloyd and likely Laczkowski in the frontcourt rotation, which would have been a good thing for Penn under the circumstances. It’s not like Spinoso is a plus defender even when his offense sucks.


 
TheLine 
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02-18-23 08:56 AM - Post#351869    
    In response to Chip Bayers

I hope Knowling is OK - he's one of the best in the league when he's on.

The refs called the game pretty tight in the 2nd half. It was a factor in the foul discrepancy. Jones' style is a more physical one than Donahue's, Yale was bound to rack up more fouls the way the game was called. Also Mbeng was draped around Dingle all game, it was inevitable that he would pick up fouls no matter what.

A big chunk of the foul discrepancy was during the back half of the second half when Yale was playing catch up and their defense got more touchy.

Best of luck the rest of the way unless we meet in the Hangar.


 
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