palestra38
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02-24-23 09:19 AM - Post#352397
Strangely, the Penn Athletic Dept e-mail doesn't even mention this. Well, I will. The following seniors will have their last home game tomorrow, having gone through the strangest period in US History with respect to athletics and the entire cancellation of a season by the not very imaginative Ivy League. Let's drink a highball to
Lucas Monroe
Jonah Charles
Max Lorca-Lloyd
Michael Moshkovitz
I believe all of them will have an opportunity to play 1 or more (MLL might have as many as 3) post-graduate years of basketball and I look forward to following them wherever they go. But right now, let's go for 11 in a row!
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Streamers
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02-24-23 10:35 AM - Post#352399
In response to palestra38
Well said. It will be interesting to see where they end up. MLL was the biggest ‘what might have been’ story. Glad we are getting at least a peek of the potential we saw when he arrived.
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SteveChop
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Re: Penn Senior Day
02-24-23 11:08 AM - Post#352400
In response to palestra38
Why 11? There would still be 6 rounds of NCAA Tournament for a cool 17!
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palestra38
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Re: Penn Senior Day
02-24-23 11:11 AM - Post#352401
In response to SteveChop
1 step at a time, sir. I did point out in an earlier thread that we have our destiny in our hands and if we win out, we win a national championship!
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SomeGuy
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Re: Penn Senior Day
02-24-23 12:48 PM - Post#352409
In response to palestra38
MLL and Charles should each have an injury year if they want it, so that should be 2 more years of eligibility for each.
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palestra38
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Re: Penn Senior Day
02-24-23 12:53 PM - Post#352410
In response to SomeGuy
MLL had 2 injury years
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SomeGuy
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Re: Penn Senior Day
02-24-23 04:19 PM - Post#352430
In response to palestra38
I don’t think so. He only played 9 games as a freshman, but they were all over the place, including the final game of the season. I don’t recall if any missed games were injury related, but it shouldn’t matter. It needs to be a an injury that ends your season.
His junior year does qualify. He played 6 games before he got hurt, all in November.
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slane
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02-24-23 05:14 PM - Post#352435
In response to SomeGuy
I am pretty sure that both MLL and Jonah Charles get the 5th NCAA year of eligibility because they were enrolled in school during 2020-2021. Jordan and Max took the year off to preserve an Ivy year of eligibility and therefore I believe do not get the NCAA 5th year. Jonah should have two years (1 injury + 1 NCAA COVID extra year, and MLL may have 3 yrs (2 injury + 1 COVID). For what it’s worth, both Clark and Laz graduate next year and will be out of Ivy eligibility but will have the extra COVID year and therefore may have 2 yrs of NCAA eligibility left after next year. My understanding is that If you were an enrolled NCAA athlete during 2020-2021 the NCAA is giving you a total of 5 years of eligibility.
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10Q
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02-24-23 05:26 PM - Post#352439
In response to slane
I’m looking for Lucas to go all Darnell foreman in the next month
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penn nation
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02-24-23 05:34 PM - Post#352441
In response to 10Q
He has had quite the all around game in Ivy play for the better part of the season.
I'm ticked off though, as you must be as well, that I might not be able to see any more live Penn games for the rest of the season and postseason (unless they advance to the ILT Finals). Not sure why Yale has two Saturday night games to finish up the season and Penn has zippo.
At least there's ESPN+, so right after this Shabbat and the next one I'll barricade myself in my manhole and watch the replay without knowing the outcome beforehand.
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Mike Porter
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Re: Penn Senior Day
02-24-23 07:09 PM - Post#352457
In response to SomeGuy
I don’t think so. He only played 9 games as a freshman, but they were all over the place, including the final game of the season. I don’t recall if any missed games were injury related, but it shouldn’t matter. It needs to be a an injury that ends your season.
His junior year does qualify. He played 6 games before he got hurt, all in November.
I also believe this to be correct. You can't be injured a few games, sit, and come back at end of season and perserve the year. It is under a certain % of games missed due to injury and has to end your season as of last time I checked. Doubt it will be 3 more years, and frankly that would be a lot more school, so who knows if he would even want to do. 2 graduate years is good for a lot of master degrees haha.
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weinhauers_ghost
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02-24-23 08:29 PM - Post#352460
In response to 10Q
If Monroe and Dingle channel their inner Foreman, I like our chances.
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Silver Maple
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02-25-23 08:37 AM - Post#352471
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Monroe already looks like he might be on the way to Foremanhood. Let's hope. He seems to be getting better and more assertive with each successive game.
Dingle, however, only needs to channel his inner Dingle.
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Charlie Fog
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Penn Senior Day
02-25-23 08:52 AM - Post#352473
In response to Silver Maple
Dingle reached Foremanhood in his freshman year against Alabama
Edited by Charlie Fog on 02-25-23 08:52 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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weinhauers_ghost
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Penn Senior Day
02-25-23 05:22 PM - Post#352523
In response to Charlie Fog
That was a little closer than it needed to be. We had considerable difficulty defending Dartmouth's inside-out offensive set. The rotation got to the first perimeter shooter, but was consistently late getting to the second shooter. Adelekun was virtually impossible to stop in the post, even when double teamed.
The good news is that our offense was pretty good, in spite of that second half cold spell.
Dingle was great in the first half and hit critical free throws down the stretch in the second half. Slajchert looked much more like he did early in the conference season. He made shots and was a pest on defense. Martz may have been the difference. He made two huge three pointers to break the cold spell, and he also made free throws when he had to. Monroe showed up with some offense as well - he posted a double - double.
Next stop: Jadwin.
Edited by weinhauers_ghost on 02-25-23 05:23 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Chip Bayers
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02-25-23 05:50 PM - Post#352527
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Getting points from Monroe was helpful with Spinoso playing with his head up his butt for most of the afternoon.
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Quakers03
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02-25-23 07:23 PM - Post#352538
In response to Chip Bayers
Not much chatter for this one, eh? The doubling on defense led to way too many open 3s, but it was never in doubt.
Great to see Mosh score some points in his action. 4 points and two assists in 4 minutes. I’ll never understand why he was completely iced out this year. Congrats to the seniors on a crazy 4 years and especially to Lucas who is a crucial part of what we want to do this year. His rebounding has just gotten better and better.
Can someone help me understand why he is pulling Jordan for offense defense at the end of games when not in foul trouble? It’s maddening. They got bailed out with a few whistles to get him back in, but he cannot take that chance anymore. It backfired on the one offensive possession that ended in a Lucas force and it could’ve been worse. It makes zero sense at all and it will hurt them if he keeps doing it.
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penn nation
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02-25-23 07:44 PM - Post#352540
In response to Quakers03
With those final two FTs, Dingle passed Jerome Allen and is now at 1,490 career points--10th all time in Quaker history.
Next up: Stan Pawlak at 1,501.
Martz was amazing in the second half.
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penn nation
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02-25-23 07:52 PM - Post#352542
In response to penn nation
Dingle also now has 609 points on the season, which is 4th place all time for a single season in Quaker history.
Has a real shot at #2 all time. McDonald is #3 with 623 (77-78) and Price is 2nd at 633 (78-79). If Penn makes it to the ILT Final, he may break Beck's 673 all time record.
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Old Bear
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02-25-23 08:40 PM - Post#352548
In response to penn nation
How many games did eco play that year? It seems to me scoring average would be a better measurement.
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penn nation
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02-25-23 08:56 PM - Post#352549
In response to Old Bear
Beck's 25.9 is the record for season average. Dingle is currently second at 23.4.
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SomeGuy
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02-25-23 10:24 PM - Post#352556
In response to Quakers03
I can see certain matchups where it makes sense to offense/defense, but in this case Jordan is guarding Myrthil or Johnson. Do we really get that much more defensive bang for our buck with Smith in there? Maybe we are worried about the doubling and switching?
This is the first time I have noticed it in the end game. We do it earlier in games, which is fine. But late Jordan is usually in there on both ends, I think. Do you recall seeing it at the end of any other games? Maybe the difference was that Slajchert was doing so well on Cornish that Steve wanted to keep him out there. I think the offense/defense at the end is usually Clark/Smith.
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OldBig5
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02-27-23 06:12 PM - Post#352698
In response to SomeGuy
I can see certain matchups where it makes sense to offense/defense, but in this case Jordan is guarding Myrthil or Johnson. Do we really get that much more defensive bang for our buck with Smith in there? Maybe we are worried about the doubling and switching?
This is the first time I have noticed it in the end game. We do it earlier in games, which is fine. But late Jordan is usually in there on both ends, I think. Do you recall seeing it at the end of any other games? Maybe the difference was that Slajchert was doing so well on Cornish that Steve wanted to keep him out there. I think the offense/defense at the end is usually Clark/Smith.
Do you think maybe it's just to give him a breather since he has to work so hard on offense? Also coaches like to stick with those sub modes they have even when it matters not for a particular game.
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Mike Porter
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Penn Senior Day
02-27-23 06:25 PM - Post#352700
In response to OldBig5
I was thinking the same thing... wondering if this is just load management to make sure he is a little rested for where we need him most on offense (and wanting him to have legs for FTs down the stretch).
In general, Dartmouth gave our defense fits (so hopefully that is just a matchup thing), but this one was never truly in doubt based on the contributions across the team on offense which was nice to see (and until recently hasn't always been the norm). Was really happy to see the seniors get the win at home, especially a pivotal one like this.
It does seem like when Coach Donahue committed to Lucas Monroe more down the stretch these last 8 games, we have been rewarded. Didn't feel like coaching staff was fully sold earlier in the season when his minutes really ebbed and flowed (beginning of Ivys when we struggled his minutes were all over the place but earlier in season as well).
Up next is where the rubber meets the road. Here's to hoping we can overcome the Princeton hurdle of the last 5 years.
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TheLine
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Penn Senior Day
02-27-23 07:24 PM - Post#352702
In response to Mike Porter
Monroe is now a 80+% FT shooter and has developed bully-ball moves. He has always been a good ball handler and defender. That all makes him a must-play at the end of games.
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SomeGuy
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02-27-23 07:47 PM - Post#352705
In response to OldBig5
Yes, it’s totally load management. Dingle’s had a good year defensively. But they do offense/defense a lot to get him breaks. What was unusual to me (and irked Q3) was doing it at the end of the game.
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