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06-23-23 01:49 AM - Post#356924
He didn't get drafted tonight, but it looks like Tosan got an NBA contract anyway!
https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/16 721136555...
The Detroit Pistons are signing Princeton forward Tosan Evbuomwan, his agent @GeorgeLangberg of GSL Sports Group tells @hoopshype.
It doesn't say whether it's a two-way contract or an outright NBA contract, though I'd assume the former. Either way, that's a huge accomplishment - he didn't even have to go through Summer League or training camp/preseason.
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06-23-23 03:08 AM - Post#356925
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Congratulations to Tosan! Pretty cool.
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06-23-23 10:52 AM - Post#356932
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Not sure what you mean by "no summer league or training camp) but, unless he signed a guaranteed contract (pretty rare) he will play summer league and join training camp and will have to earn a roster spot likely as a 2 way player (which means he is assigned to the G league but can move between there and the NBA at the teams discretion). Each NBA team is only allowed two 2-way players and teams will have 10-12 players competing for those 2 spots.
Bottom line, Tosan has a shot but the competition from here is very tough. How much he plays in summer league will be a key indicator of what they think.
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06-23-23 11:25 AM - Post#356933
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I believe that he means that he signed a contract (I agree that this is almost certainly a two way contract) "before the summer league." Some players are signed after the summer league, not before.
The mere fact that he was signed within hours of the draft indicates substantial interest.
His summer league performance is key. Teams want to see how her performs against borderline NBA and g league players. I will be watching the summer league games in the next few weeks.
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06-23-23 12:17 PM - Post#356934
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Unfortunately it is an exhibit 10 contract. His summer league performance will be the key
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gokinsmen
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06-23-23 01:08 PM - Post#356935
In response to jeromelh
Exactly. I was hoping to enjoy his Summer League games worry-free, but I guess he'll have to go through another evaluation. At least he'll have some priority as an Exhibit 10 versus standard invitees.
https://www.nj.com/sports/2023/06/nba-dr aft-2023-p...
Langberg said Evbuomwan had an opportunity to be picked at No. 56 by the Memphis Grizzlies as a draft and stash candidate in Europe “but he wanted to bet on himself.”
I think Tosan made the right decision. It would have been neat to hear his name called but now he still has a chance to make a roster this year.
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06-24-23 06:47 AM - Post#356944
In response to gokinsmen
I would suspect he does not want merely to continue to play ball, or Europe would have been fine. I think his attitude is all in for the NBA. He will gain a better understanding of his talent vs. NBA talent more quickly this way
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06-24-23 12:17 PM - Post#356946
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Look at this.
During the season no one thought he was much of an NBA player. Then because of his performance in the NCAA tournament he was invited to the g league combine. Due to his performance there he was invited to the NBA combine. I don’t doubt any decisions he makes anymore.
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07-08-23 08:04 PM - Post#357144
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Today ws a DNP coaches decision in the Pistons first summer league game.
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07-08-23 11:35 PM - Post#357146
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It's pretty common for the first SL game to focus on the returning players (NBA or G-League) and draft picks. Especially since there's another game tomorrow.
I suspect Tosan will play some tomorrow and then play heavier minutes in the last couple games. He's gotta be aggressive. I'd like to see him get some buckets first before dishing to teammates.
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07-09-23 07:51 PM - Post#357159
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Same exact rotation as yesterday. Boo. I guess it was all set in stone beforehand. Two more games at least (possibly more if they make the SL "playoffs").
I'm assuming we finally see Tosan in the next games, but who knows what the Pistons are doing? They played 3 projected starters huge minutes and still got beat handily.
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07-12-23 06:14 PM - Post#357224
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Tosan starting today! Already has an and-1.
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07-12-23 08:01 PM - Post#357225
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Only 15 minutes despite the start. Team-high +16. Made two and-1s layups and got fouled on another attempt. Only miss was an uncalled goaltend. Zero TOs. Clutch block. Coach Jarrett Jack twice praised Tosan's defense while mic'd up.
At least two more games left (one TBD). Hope Tosan gets some real minutes in the final games. Detroit's summer league rotation has been very chaotic.
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07-12-23 09:40 PM - Post#357226
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I caught the last 8 minutes or so. It was so exciting to see Tosan out there. Who was the big that he was matched up against? The guy was quite a bit taller that Tosan but our Tiger played him very well on D.
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07-12-23 11:24 PM - Post#357227
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Tosan has a spot in training camp and their G league team locked up. Clearly their plan was to play him in the later summer games. He will get his chance to develop. He looked good out there.
And I thought the uncalled goaltending should have been a Tosan dunk. Learning curve there. He needs to finish that with authority.
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07-12-23 11:37 PM - Post#357228
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The tall guy was Moses Brown, a 7 footer out of UCLA who has already played in 128 NBA games.
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07-13-23 12:25 PM - Post#357230
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Summer league games are meaningless for Tosan. He is going to the G league. He will get playing time and can work on improving his jump shot. Tosan has two things going for him. He can pass and he can defend. These two attributes can get him onto an NBA roster. We just need to be patient
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07-13-23 01:37 PM - Post#357231
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His development as a shooter will be critical. There are an enormous number of players who can pass and defend that are not on NBA rosters. You have to be able to shoot in addition to those things if you want a real shot to be on an NBA roster. Not as a primary scorer, but NBA players have to make shots when left open, even if they are on the floor for other reasons.
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07-13-23 04:07 PM - Post#357236
In response to PennFan10
He's also shown a serious knack for scoring through contact. He hasn't taken that many shots in his G-League/Combine/SL games yet he already has like 6 and-ones. Developing a solid 3pt shot is the make or break skill and will take time.
I just want to see him earn a 2-way contract so that his team is actually invested in his success. If he simply joins a random G-League team, it's harder to stick on an NBA roster.
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07-13-23 04:17 PM - Post#357237
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While I agree with you that he needs to improve his shooting I totally disagree with rest of your analysis.
There are NOT a lot of players who can both defend and pass in the NBA. If you watched the combines and summer league, it is obvious that there are innumerable quality shooters out there. However, the NBA values players who can BOTH defend and pass.
Look at it from this point of view and ask yourself, why is the NBA interested in Tosan at all, if he is not much of a shooter?? You can learn to shoot (and i believe that Tosan will do that) and you can improve your defense (he is already well above average). But the ability to see the floor, pass and dish out assists are innate skills. You either have them or you don't. You can't teach them.
If Tosan were an excellent shooter, I believe he would have been a first rounder.
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07-13-23 06:55 PM - Post#357240
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You can disagree with me. I'll just tell you that my view isn't my opinion, it's based on multiple conversations with guys who work in the NBA (including several former Ivy players). Defending and passing are pre-requisites. Role players who can do that and make open shots get their shot.
Plenty of guys who can do some of those things, many who can't do all three.
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07-13-23 08:07 PM - Post#357242
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Let me be more specific. Anyone can pass, but Tosan is outstanding at seeing the floor and passing. He may be the best in summer league at it. Yes he needs to improve his shooting and I believe he will. He can run an offense from the forward position which is unique. I remember what Rick Pitino said after the Princeton Iona game. He brought up Tosan and said that he is an NBA player but needs to get stronger and improve his jump shot.
If he ultimately makes a roster in the NBA, it won’t be because of his shooting.
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07-13-23 10:35 PM - Post#357249
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If he ultimately makes a roster in the NBA, it will be because he becomes a capable shooter along with his other strengths. Without that, he has little chance.
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07-13-23 10:50 PM - Post#357250
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I noticed that Tosan also had some rebounds and tap outs and was directing traffic a bit. His drives and full-court runs to the rim were good.
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07-14-23 09:18 AM - Post#357253
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This is an interesting thread. I am looking forward to revisiting this topic in about 10 minutes to see what transpires with Tosan
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07-14-23 09:18 AM - Post#357254
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10 months (darn that autocorrect)
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07-14-23 09:10 PM - Post#357261
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Great start for Tosan. Two nice layups, a steal, and tough low post defense on Sidy Cissoko (forced an ugly brick). Goes to the bench with a 12-4 lead.
Hope he gets to play more than 15 minutes tonight.
EDIT: He's back in and just hit a corner 3. Keep it up!
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07-14-23 10:56 PM - Post#357263
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Lots of minutes today. Not a lot of shots. That was mostly on his teammates' lack of passing ability (a rare skill in SL). But he also passed up 2-3 drives in the 4Q. That's on him.
He played superb defense throughout, stopping every shot he contested. No one scored on him beyond a take-foul on a layup (not his man). Tosan also set great screens all night, freeing up his teammates for open shots.
One more "consolation game" left (TBD). I know he wants to be Mr. Team Player, but he's gotta shoot more in his final game. Glad he hit a 3 and closed the game (another W).
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07-15-23 08:08 AM - Post#357266
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I didn’t watch but if he played great defense and set effective screens I can assure you that it didn’t go unnoticed.
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07-15-23 07:24 PM - Post#357273
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Final game tomorrow @ 5:30p EST on NBA TV.
https://www.espn.com/nba-summer-league/gam e?gameId...
I hope Ausar Thompson sits out so Tosan and other hopefuls can get some more shots.
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07-15-23 09:17 PM - Post#357274
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In the previous game, wired up coach Jack could be heard repeatedly shouting “Good shift, Tosan” when Detroit was defending. No other names were called.
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07-16-23 10:04 AM - Post#357277
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Based on what you are posting, I don't believe that the Piston coaches care much about his scoring or lack thereof. I think that are looking at his court sense and how much he can energize the offense. We will know a lot more as time goes on.
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07-16-23 06:27 PM - Post#357281
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Great first half for Tosan. 6pts and 6rebs with superb defense on guards and forwards alike. They made a concerted effort to get him the ball in the low post, which was nice. Surprised they didn't let him handle the ball a little since the Pistons guard play has been so poor.
Highlight of the 1st half was a sequence where Tosan sprinted back in transition and blocked a layup by jumping straight up, came down with the rebound and then found the 3pt trailer on the fast break.
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07-16-23 07:12 PM - Post#357282
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Very light touches in the second half. Sasser caught fire (40 pts) and shot virtually every possession for the last 15 minutes.
Boxscore doesn't show it, but Tosan made lots of big defensive plays, leading to fast-break buckets that broke the game open. The scorer missed 2 blocks and 2 rebounds. Tosan looked a bit bummed to be taken out of the offense after working so hard on defense.
Not sure how long Detroit has to turn his Exhibit 10 into a 2-way. Hopefully he doesn't have to wait too long.
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07-16-23 10:00 PM - Post#357283
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I forgot to mention that Tosan also got to rep his squad for the obligatory "What does your team need to do?" interview. Usually, those go to the guaranteed players (e.g. Sasser).
https://twitter.com/PistonsMuse/status/16 807181508...
He was also a team-high +52 in his 3 SL games. Limited sample but backs up his winning play.
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07-17-23 01:02 AM - Post#357284
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Looks like he belongs at this level. But projecting from Summer League to the main event can be hazardous.
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07-19-23 12:49 PM - Post#357319
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In today's Detroit Free Press:
Tosan Evbuomwan
Princeton forward Tosan Evbuomwan (20) dribbles the ball against Yale during the first half of the Ivy League championship NCAA college basketball game, Sunday, March 12, 2023 in Princeton, N.J.
Although Summer League head coach Jarrett Jack did not play Evbuomwan the first two games, his play in the last three may make the final two-way roster decision a tough one for for Pistons general manager Troy Weaver.
SHAWN WINDSOR:Pistons' Tom Gores: Rebuild has taken longer than planned; it's time to win now
The 6-foot-8 former Princeton forward showed good driving ability, defensive potential and some interior savvy on the offense end. The native of the United Kingdom forced a lot of ball pickups. His dribble drives to the basket were impressive as well, making many Pistons fans optimistic about what he can become.
Evbuomwan averaged seven points per game along with a 50% field goal percentage. In those three games, he had a 12-point performance against the San Antonio Spurs, in which he knocked down 50% of his field goals and the only 3-pointer he attempted.
He also had a plus/minus of plus-52 in Las Vegas, leading the team in that stat respectively. He was a difference maker and had a quiet-yet-convincing campaign.
Evbuomwan helped lead Princeton to the NCAA tournament in March. The Tigers reached the Sweet 16, the furthest in program history. During his senior campaign, he averaged 15.1 points along with 4.9 assists and a 51.5% field-goal percentage. The undrafted free agent was signed to an Exhibit-10 deal shortly after the draft.
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07-19-23 04:39 PM - Post#357320
In response to Dr. V
Writer: "The Tigers reached the Sweet 16, the furthest in program history.
Can't make the mule drink the water. Or something.
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07-19-23 09:08 PM - Post#357324
In response to sparman
Bill Bradley still lives.
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07-20-23 07:11 AM - Post#357327
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Writer probably is too young to have ever heard of him.
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07-20-23 07:57 AM - Post#357329
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That's what parents are for.
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07-20-23 09:15 PM - Post#357331
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This article seems to suggest Tosan has a decent chance of either getting a 2-way contract or making the Pistons’ roster:
One undrafted Pistons Summer League Player who could make
2023-24 roster. https://clutchpoints.com/1-undrafted-pistons-s umme...
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07-21-23 07:02 AM - Post#357334
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Writer probably is too young to have ever heard of him.
Met a guy yesterday from Festus Mo, whose brother played against Bradley in high school. Claimed his brother was the only one who could contain Bradley (not his exact term); I gently suggested it was not likely it was possible.
I have never seen Bradley's HS stats, FWIW.
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07-21-23 08:12 AM - Post#357335
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All I know is he scored over 3100 points over four years, was regaeded as the best HS player in the state, was twice named as an All-American, and led the Crystal City team to the Missouri State Final Four three times.
Not impossible he was coralled in a couple games, but not likely you randomly encountered a relative of the person who accomplished it.
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07-21-23 08:15 AM - Post#357337
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It's like the hundreds of thousands of people who saw Wilt score 100. Game in Hershey before a couple of thousand fans and no TV. Time makes "memories" blossom.
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07-21-23 12:35 PM - Post#357344
In response to palestra38
Or like the parents on the sideline of a HS game who proclaim their kid has a "full ride" at an ivy.
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07-31-23 10:50 AM - Post#357460
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Detroit has been filling its roster slots and two way contracts. Sounds like Tosan will go to the g league which I believe is a good thing. It will get him playing time . He can get stronger and improve his shot
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07-31-23 05:42 PM - Post#357479
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Maybe he also becomes Ryan Turell's Shabbos goy.
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