iogyhufi
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10-17-23 11:29 AM - Post#358471
In response to iogyhufi
The Men's Basketball Media Day is today, and we have the media poll.
1. Yale – 124 (14)
2. Princeton – 110 (2)
3. Cornell – 80
4. Brown – 77
5. Penn – 68
6. Harvard – 66
7. Dartmouth – 28
8. Columbia – 23
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Greenhorn
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10-17-23 06:48 PM - Post#358475
In response to iogyhufi
When was the last time Dartmouth or Columbia was even relevant in this poll?
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whitakk
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10-17-23 08:55 PM - Post#358477
In response to Greenhorn
When was the last time Dartmouth or Columbia was even relevant in this poll?
Columbia was a close #2 (and joint-most first-place votes) in 2015-16, the CIT championship year
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whitakk
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10-17-23 08:56 PM - Post#358478
In response to iogyhufi
The Men's Basketball Media Day is today, and we have the media poll.
1. Yale – 124 (14)
2. Princeton – 110 (2)
3. Cornell – 80
4. Brown – 77
5. Penn – 68
6. Harvard – 66
7. Dartmouth – 28
8. Columbia – 23
124 for Yale means either the other two voters each picked them #3, or one picked them #4
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rbg
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10-18-23 01:34 PM - Post#358489
In response to whitakk
Media Day is Thursday from 11 am - 1:45 pm and will be streamed live on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCT-llrK24M
https://ivyleague.com/news/2023/10/18/mens- basketb...
Media Day Participants
Brown
Kino Lilly Jr. (Jr., G – Glenn Dale, Md.)
Nana Owusu-Anane (Jr., F – Burlington, Ontario)
Columbia
Zavian McLean (Sr., G – Spring Lake, N.C.)
Josh Odunowo (Sr., F – Laurel, Md.)
Cornell
Sean Hansen (Sr., F – Ramsey, N.J.)
Nazir Williams (Jr., G – Nyack, N.Y.)
Dartmouth
Robert McRae III (Sr., G – Inglewood, Calif.)
Romeo Myrthil (Jr., G – Solna, Sweden)
Harvard
Chandler Piggé (So., G – Houston, Texas)
Denham Wojcik (Jr., G – Charleston, S.C.)
Penn
Clark Slajchert (Sr., G – Los Angeles, Calif.)
Nick Spinoso (Jr, F/C – Port Washington, N.Y.)
Princeton
Matt Allocco (Sr., G – Hilliard, Ohio)
Caden Pierce (So., F – Glen Ellyn, Ill.)
Yale
Matt Knowling (Sr., F – Ellington, Conn.)
August Mahoney (Sr., G – Saratoga Springs, N.Y.)
Men's Basketball Media Day Schedule (Thursday, 10/19):
Welcome (11 - 11:05 a.m.)
Columbia (11:05 - 11:25 a.m.)
Princeton (11:25 - 11:45 a.m.)
Penn (11:45 a.m. - 12:05 p.m.)
Harvard (12:05 - 12:25 p.m.)
Dartmouth (12:25 - 12:45 p.m.)
Cornell (12:45 - 1:05 p.m.)
Yale (1:05 - 1:25 p.m.)
Brown (1:25 - 1:45 p.m.)
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iogyhufi
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10-30-23 05:59 PM - Post#358667
In response to iogyhufi
I just followed up on the Vegas lines to see if they'd changed. It turns out they have - here's what MGM has today:
YALE +100
PRIN +360
COR +600
PENN +800
BRWN +800
DART +2000
HARV +2000
COL +3500
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iogyhufi
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11-21-23 09:38 PM - Post#359550
In response to iogyhufi
Mister Pomeroy has a blog post on the surprising Ivy season so far:
https://kenpom.substack.com/p/the-ivy-is-on-fire
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Bryan
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11-21-23 09:59 PM - Post#359551
In response to iogyhufi
Are the MGM betting odds for the regular season or to win the Ivy tournament? If regular season, then what happens if there is a tie between 2 or more teams?
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penn nation
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11-22-23 12:04 AM - Post#359553
In response to iogyhufi
But for the Ivy, its unique circumstances have led to the impossible in college basketball: a conference lacking in tradition that has experienced substantial and seemingly permanent improvement.
Good God. Have they not heard of the Palestra? Penn and Princeton? And of course while mentioning Princeton success, past and present, they don't mention Penn in 1979.
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iogyhufi
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11-22-23 12:57 AM - Post#359554
In response to penn nation
I assumed he meant that the league as a whole was historically bad (which is true), not that the league had no good teams.
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Mike Porter
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11-22-23 03:25 PM - Post#359567
In response to iogyhufi
Yeah I took this to be very league specific.
Though reading about giving back some of the good will on the UMES loss still smarts.
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TigerFan
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11-22-23 08:28 PM - Post#359593
In response to Mike Porter
Princeton up to #54 on KenPom after drubbing ODU on the road to go 5-0. Tigers received 20 votes for AP Top 25 this week.
Yale at 81 KenPom
Cornell 103
Harvard 125
Penn 180
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weinhauers_ghost
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11-22-23 11:19 PM - Post#359601
In response to penn nation
penn nation reflects my indignation here, as someone who was on campus during the '79 final four run and played on that year's JV team.
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iogyhufi
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11-23-23 10:43 PM - Post#359625
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Happy Thanksgiving to all of you here! I am grateful not only for Ivy League basketball, but also for interesting people to talk about it with. Even when those people are Harvard fans 
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penn nation
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11-23-23 11:53 PM - Post#359627
In response to TigerFan
Yeah, that 'Nova victory is looking better and better for the Quakers.
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Tiger69
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11-24-23 11:40 PM - Post#359660
In response to iogyhufi
Does harvard have fans?????
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mbaprof
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01-01-24 09:20 AM - Post#361080
In response to Tiger69
What do we think now based upon ooc play?
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Ever True
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01-01-24 10:58 AM - Post#361083
In response to mbaprof
1. Princeton
2. Yale
3. Cornell
4. Penn
5. Harvard
6. Columbia
7. Brown
8. Dartmouth
I like Penn a little more than Harvard, given the Crimson's injury problems, but will have to see if Slajchert's ankle is an issue or not. Based on OOC, wouldn't surprise me if anyone at spots 4-7 made Ivy Madness. In my heart of hearts, I believe Brown has enough talent, but have not played consistently enough for me to place them higher than 7.
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iogyhufi
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01-04-24 02:36 PM - Post#361240
In response to Ever True
Just for curiosity's sake, here's how each Ivy did in the non-con vs. the team sheet quadrants (using KenPom rankings):
Brown - 0-2 Q1, 0-0 Q2, 1-6 Q3, 2-3 Q4(!)
Columbia - 0-1 Q1, 0-0 Q2, 1-2 Q3, 5-1
Cornell - 0-1 Q1, 0-2 Q2, 3-0 Q3, 7-0 Q4
Dartmouth - 0-1 Q1, 0-1 Q2, 0-3 Q3, 2-4 Q4
Harvard - 0-0 Q1, 1-3 Q2, 2-1 Q3, 5-0 Q4
Penn - 1-3 Q1, 0-1 Q2, 1-1 Q3, 4-2 Q4
Princeton - 0-0 Q1, 3-1 Q2, 4-0 Q3, 3-0 Q4
Yale - 0-2 Q1, 1-2 Q2, 4-1 Q3, 2-1 Q4
The league's only Quad 1 win was Penn vs. Villanova.
Quad 2 wins: Harvard @ UMass, Princeton v. Rutgers/@ Hofstra/@ Duquesne, Yale @ Santa Clara
Oddly, despite all the hullabaloo about the quality of the league's non-con, this is kind of underwhelming.
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iogyhufi
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01-04-24 02:44 PM - Post#361243
In response to Ever True
1. Princeton
2. Yale
3. Cornell
4. Penn
5. Harvard
6. Columbia
7. Brown
8. Dartmouth
I like Penn a little more than Harvard, given the Crimson's injury problems, but will have to see if Slajchert's ankle is an issue or not. Based on OOC, wouldn't surprise me if anyone at spots 4-7 made Ivy Madness. In my heart of hearts, I believe Brown has enough talent, but have not played consistently enough for me to place them higher than 7.
I agree with your ranking, but I'd have Brown 6th. Columbia has shown more life than usual, but I'll take Brown's upside.
I feel better about Yale than I did a month ago, but I also can't shake the niggling feeling that Yale could totally drop one or two that they should win to start conference play and then beat Princeton in JLA by double figures. (Can't remember who I read who said that, but they're onto something.)
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