Eric Von Zipper
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11-09-23 05:58 PM - Post#358968
Opens Hofstra -2 O/U 145 1/2
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SRP
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11-09-23 07:40 PM - Post#358969
In response to Eric Von Zipper
Preview:
https://www.trentonian.com/2023/11/09/princeton- ba...
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1LotteryPick1969
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11-10-23 08:22 PM - Post#358996
In response to SRP
What did Mitch see? What did he say??
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SRP
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11-10-23 09:50 PM - Post#359003
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Just win, baby. Lots of clutch FTs down the stretch.
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Albert08
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11-10-23 09:57 PM - Post#359004
In response to SRP
Really good win on the road. Brett MacConnell with a well deserved smile on his face.
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SRP
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11-10-23 10:01 PM - Post#359006
In response to Albert08
Depth as well as the center position look like they will be continuing issues going forward. But a really good iron five that stays healthy and out of foul trouble can make life difficult on a lot of teams.
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gokinsmen
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Hofstra
11-10-23 10:22 PM - Post#359007
In response to SRP
Another gritty, resilient win. I saw most of the first half but only a bit of the second.
Pierce had a monster game and the guys responded after Mitch got thrown out very early in the game. I assume he was arguing the questionable offensive calls that led to a lot of turnovers early.
That Iron Five is impressive but we really need at least one bench player to step up and contribute quality double-digit minutes. It's probably going to be Jack Scott, being a sophomore with good size.
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TigerFan
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11-10-23 10:29 PM - Post#359009
In response to gokinsmen
Really impressive road win over a very tough team. I missed the first 15 minutes so didn’t see Mitch’s ejection. Must have been wild. Caden is an absolute beast. Blake a driller. X has really shaken off the wildness from last year. Allocco is Allocco and Martini just tough as nails. This should be a really fun season!
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whitakk
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11-10-23 11:19 PM - Post#359017
In response to TigerFan
This team really reminds me of 2016-17 - five-out, sharing the ball, swarming defensively, little depth. I don't think they quite have the individual talent on either end to reach those heights but it's still successful and fun to watch.
Lee's block closing out from pretty far away on the corner three was something I don't remember seeing from a true guard at Princeton.
If my counting is right: 54-43 in about 23 minutes(!) with the five starters tonight, 20-24 in the other 17 minutes.
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Tiger84
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11-11-23 02:26 AM - Post#359026
In response to whitakk
If I’ve got the chronology right, 16-17 had Amir Bell as a solid 6th man. Until and unless Davis develops, Scott becomes a reliable option or Austin returns from injury, this is an Iron 5 situation.
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1LotteryPick1969
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11-11-23 05:36 AM - Post#359027
In response to Tiger84
I think Davis can step up as time goes by. He looks very comfortable, but his shots aren't dropping. Once he hits a few, I think he will emerge. And Huggins looks at least satisfactory on defense.
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1LotteryPick1969
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11-11-23 06:10 AM - Post#359028
In response to Tiger84
If I’ve got the chronology right, 16-17 had Amir Bell as a solid 6th man. Until and unless Davis develops, Scott becomes a reliable option or Austin returns from injury, this is an Iron 5 situation.
Didn't start that thin; Brase and Caruso went out with injuries. So let's stay healthy this year. We have little margin. Although the Caruso injury allowed the emergence of Stephens.
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Tiger81
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11-11-23 10:21 AM - Post#359034
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Could not see the game and the only highlights I could find were all on Hofstra’s end. Looking at the box score, interesting that the few bench minutes came from a sophomore and two freshman. I loved the cohesion and intensity that we saw from the starters against Rutgers and that appears to have been the case as well last night.
But Coach Henderson will need to find other combinations that work when opponents get the Tigers in foul trouble.
A piece in PAW last week said that Deven Austin is likely to be out “for a sizable part of this season“ so it seems like the answers will need to come from Scott, Davis, Huggins and any other freshmen who emerge.
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gokinsmen
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Hofstra
11-11-23 01:02 PM - Post#359037
In response to Tiger81
It's such a bummer not having Austin. He became a major role player on both ends and was due for a huge leap this season. Probably our best perimeter defender when healthy.
Just hope he makes it back for Ivy play. During non-conf, we can get away with an Iron Five, but Ivy play has 4 back-to-backs (not including the ILT) that will wear the guys down.
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whitakk
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Re: Hofstra
11-13-23 11:19 AM - Post#359088
In response to gokinsmen
During non-conf, we can get away with an Iron Five, but Ivy play has 4 back-to-backs (not including the ILT) that will wear the guys down.
Even in the all-back-to-back era this was never really true. Harvard won in 2013 with four guys playing nearly every minute at the 1-4, Yale won in 2016 with three guys left at 1-3 for the final month, Princeton went undefeated in 2017 with like a 5.5-man rotation (Miller started but never played in crunch time).
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iogyhufi
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Re: Hofstra
11-13-23 11:47 AM - Post#359089
In response to whitakk
Yeah, the real risk of having no depth is injuries. Which are much more likely to happen when you play your starters heavy minutes!
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sparman
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Re: Hofstra
11-13-23 11:59 AM - Post#359091
In response to whitakk
A team may be able to get away with it in the ivies, especially now that the IL is getting away from all back-to-back weekends, but I believe that when depth issues existed in the past, they have been a clear problem playing in the national tournaments against physically imposing P5 teams. Perhaps a secondary concern right now.
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whitakk
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11-13-23 09:43 PM - Post#359100
In response to sparman
Two of those three teams pulled NCAAT upsets with multiple guys playing 39+ minutes! (And the third was one shot away with one playing 40.)
Injuries are definitely a concern - that's the best reason to have depth (as the 2017 team showed). But given what they lost from last year, I'll take a team that can truly challenge for the league title if five guys stay healthy.
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Tiger84
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11-13-23 10:06 PM - Post#359101
In response to whitakk
And yes, the Tigers won an NIT game with 5 players going 40 minutes, but that was a different century.
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SRP
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11-13-23 10:54 PM - Post#359123
In response to Tiger84
The upside of an iron five can be better chemistry and coordination on the court. Help is not on the way, so solutions have to be found within the group, plus more minutes of learning one another's moves are logged.
Still makes me pretty nervous, especially without an obvious answer to teams who can speed up the pace and have a lot of size.
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gokinsmen
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Hofstra
11-13-23 11:28 PM - Post#359127
In response to SRP
Good points. I suppose Iron Fives can work just fine. I'd just prefer having at least 1 major bench contributor ready to go every night. Even something as simple as foul trouble could derail us in a tight game.
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1LotteryPick1969
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11-14-23 07:40 AM - Post#359149
In response to SRP
Still makes me pretty nervous, especially without an obvious answer to teams who can speed up the pace and have a lot of size.
Such as Yale, perhaps?
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