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 11-13-23 11:37 PM - Post#359131
In response to Chip Bayers
Really good team win. Rebounding!!!
Perkins is a revelation. Kid plays with so much confidence.
There are certainly things to be said about Villanova this year, but for now let's enjoy this win while it's fresh
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weinhauers_ghost
Postdoc
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11-13-23 11:37 PM - Post#359132
In response to Chip Bayers
All five starters scored in double figures. Perkins with 22, Holland 12, Slajchert and Thrower with 11 and Spinoso with 10.
Nicely balanced offense.
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Chip Bayers
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11-13-23 11:38 PM - Post#359133
In response to penn nation
VU -11.5
O/U was 142.5
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penn nation
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villanova
11-13-23 11:39 PM - Post#359134
In response to Chip Bayers
VU -11.5
O/U was 142.5
I'll bet it has been a very, very long time since Penn won a game against that kind of line.
Edited by penn nation on 11-13-23 11:39 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Streamers
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11-14-23 12:18 AM - Post#359135
In response to penn nation
Watched in on a delay. So glad I didn’t know the score. That was really fun. Maybe these guys are better than we thought.
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SRP
Postdoc
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11-14-23 12:36 AM - Post#359137
In response to Streamers
Congratulations on a huge win. I surely did not see that one coming. [recalculating....]
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Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts: 1900
Reg: 11-29-04
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11-14-23 01:08 AM - Post#359141
In response to SRP
I’ll give our team huge credit for the win. Villanova didn’t shoot well, which obviously helped. They can compete with their teamwork and composure. I think the Ivy coaches usually know our playbook pretty well, so we won’t surprise them much.
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SomeGuy
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11-14-23 02:03 AM - Post#359142
In response to weinhauers_ghost
I thought we showed a lot of patience against an aggressive and athletic defense. Particularly Clark, who didn’t press (at least not too much).
Also, we continue to defend really, really well. I thought the zone would be a change of pace, but we stuck with it and it worked. I can’t quite pinpoint why we’re better on D (Perkins may be a lot of it), but it seems like we really are. And the rebounding continues to be a revelation.
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Penndemonium
PhD Student
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11-14-23 02:31 AM - Post#359143
In response to SomeGuy
They definitely look a bit tougher on D. Spinoso has always played hard. Slajchert looks about the same, but a bit smarter and more aggressive. So some of the difference has to be attributable to Perkins, Slajchert, Holland, Laz, Walter, and Smith. I would still like to see our team be a bit tougher in the one-on-one battles. This team seems to be doing a good job with bringing the help - especially tonight.
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Mike Porter
Postdoc
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Re: villanova
11-14-23 03:00 AM - Post#359144
In response to jeromelh
Here I am, a Princeton guy watching the game. With 32 seconds left to go Penn is up by 4. WHERE ARE YOU GUYS??
We were busy sweating through the last 2.5 mins or so. 
Awesome win, too tired to get into more right now, but great team effort overall and fantastic bounce back for Perkins. I was excited about him based on following his senior year play but this is still way above expectations to start. Love to see it. It’s always great to beat Nova.
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Chip Bayers
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11-14-23 03:17 AM - Post#359145
In response to Mike Porter
Shout out to Spinoso, who really stepped up his game after playing so poorly against Bucknell & St. Joe’s.
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TigerFan
PhD Student
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Reg: 11-21-04
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11-14-23 05:06 AM - Post#359146
In response to Chip Bayers
Nice win. Methinks the Yalies may be counting their chickens a tad early after their “close,” 15 point loss to Gonzaga.
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palestra38
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Reg: 11-21-04
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11-14-23 07:22 AM - Post#359148
In response to TigerFan
While the Inquirer article on the game sucks (Jensen, who has just retired and Kern and Jerardi, who are retired and going into the Big 5 HOF, would be embarrassed by the kind of sports reporting we get now from kids right out of journalism school), the article on the game on the Villanova message board is pretty good, plus you get to read the tooth gnashing (with obligatory "WHY do we continue to play Big 5 games on the road" complaints) comments that make it all worthwhile.
https://www.vuhoops.com/2023/11/13/23960062/v illan...
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TheLine
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villanova
11-14-23 08:10 AM - Post#359151
In response to palestra38
Apologies for the aside, but it's not that the old sports writers were any good (most weren't), it's that the mainstream 'newspapers' aren't serious about sports. FFS they could hire Josh Verlin or someone on his staff if they wanted.
Now back to regular programming. I'm surprised that Nova team is in the Top 25. It was still a great win though, I enjoy kicking Nova even more than Princeton.
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AsiaSunset
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11-14-23 08:29 AM - Post#359152
In response to TheLine
A lot of the comments after the St Joe’s game were spot on. There were many positives mixed with a few things that needed correction. But last night - wow. The continued defensive effort, the relentless work on the boards was accompanied by the team’s ability to score the ball. Let’s face it - the 61 points scored against St Joe’s doesn’t win many ballgames. But 76 points will win the majority of Penn’s games this season. Yesterday they did that against some pretty good athletes. Great performance.
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10Q
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11-14-23 08:41 AM - Post#359153
In response to AsiaSunset
I'm always tempted after a game like this to say, just imagine how good this team would be if we still had Dingle and the other guy who transferred out early. But I guess the reality is that they may have just cleared the way for other guys to step up their games and do things they wouldn't do if they were lower in the pecking order. Anyway, it's just one game and possibly (hopefully not) the highlight of the season.
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TheLine
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villanova
11-14-23 08:52 AM - Post#359155
In response to 10Q
Moore was the only Nova player capable of shooting. Penn's zone allowed Nova to set picks to free up outside shots that they proceeded to miss. It was the right defense because Nova players had difficulty using their physical advantage to drive to the hoop. When they did get to the paint, they were met with yet another defender to beat.
Movement was real good on both ends of the court.
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pennsive
Junior
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Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: villanova
11-14-23 09:22 AM - Post#359156
In response to TheLine
This is what I meant when I argued pre-season that we may be better than some thought due to addition by subtraction. Perkins’s high school videos and his last all star game gave us reason to hope. The other thing was that Steve couldn’t get the team to play aggressively for a full 40 minutes last year when the team was built around one offensive super star. I love our balance so far this year. The Penn community including alumni needed an adrenaline shot, and our team’s performance last night and the comeback against St Joes were just what the doctor ordered. This team has the potential to be much stronger than we anticipated. Beating Villanova was a great win-unexpected by almost everyone (except by the players and coaches who seem this year to have great chemistry, toughness and play with confidence) but dearly hoped for. Go Quakers!
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palestra38
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Re: villanova
11-14-23 09:24 AM - Post#359157
In response to TheLine
Aside back at you---I strongly disagree that the sportswriters of the '70s-'90s weren't better. They actually trained and worked at their jobs and were writers as well as journalists. Granted there was one very bad guy mixed in with them (although he too really could write), but the difference between those who grew up with the game, learned from experienced sportswriters covering high school sports at first and actually knowing what they were writing about is stark. Of course, the fact that papers are only willing to pay minimum wage has a lot to do with it. But just compare the VU Sports article with the Inquirer article--the VU Sports guy actually knows what he is writing about.
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palestra38
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Re: villanova
11-14-23 09:28 AM - Post#359158
In response to pennsive
I'm right with you on how great it is to see the team playing like it is, and I am now very hopeful, where I was not pre-season. But I still think that what we are seeing just reinforces my belief that Donahue let us down last year when we were in a position to win the league--just imagine if he had unleased Holland and Thrower and given them some of the minutes of Monroe and Charles, who simply gave us zero offense. Fact is that they are better on defense too as it appears. Still, getting a freshman with the ability of Perkins does reply to a lot of the people who rip Donahue's recruiting. Anyway, lets go Quakers!
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