AsiaSunset
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11-17-23 08:32 PM - Post#359363
Just committed to Penn
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OldBig5
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11-17-23 09:25 PM - Post#359366
In response to AsiaSunset
Awesome.
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PennFan10
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11-18-23 05:54 AM - Post#359379
In response to OldBig5
I like Penn basketball players named AJ!!
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Penndemonium
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11-19-23 06:16 PM - Post#359481
In response to PennFan10
Hard to know what to make of him from YouTube. He looks like he is skilled and knows how to play the game. His competition did not look strong from the on-line videos. You could convince me that he is the second coming of Matt Langell, but you could also convince me he is the next Esformes. If the team wanted him, I'm happy to have him aboard.
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penn nation
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11-19-23 06:50 PM - Post#359482
In response to Penndemonium
York HS is in a conference with some of the largest schools in the state.
Probably the most famous basketball school in that conference is Proviso East which has won many state basketball championships (highest level in the state) and featured players such as Jim Brewer, Doc Rivers, Michael Finley, and Dee Brown, among numerous others.
York is not exactly known as a basketball school, but safe to say that Levine faced some legit competition.
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PennFan10
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11-19-23 08:08 PM - Post#359488
In response to penn nation
On most lists he is a top 20 player in the state of IL, which typically is very rich in basketball talent. Odds are high that this kid is legit.
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Penndemonium
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11-20-23 01:06 AM - Post#359506
In response to PennFan10
Sounds great. There weren't a ton of videos out there. It may have been a sample set of 2 teams/opponents and that may have been particularly weak competition. Like I said, it left a wide range of possibilities. Glad to hear he has likely stood up against strong competition. His skills looked good.
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OldBig5
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11-23-23 10:25 AM - Post#359608
In response to PennFan10
On most lists he is a top 20 player in the state of IL, which typically is very rich in basketball talent. Odds are high that this kid is legit.
Sounds good to me.
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AsiaSunset
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11-23-23 11:51 AM - Post#359612
In response to OldBig5
Had 33 points last night.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
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penn nation
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11-23-23 12:01 PM - Post#359613
In response to AsiaSunset
Against Glenbrook South, which is not exactly Little Sisters of the Poor. It's very legit competition.
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SteveChop
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11-27-23 07:11 PM - Post#359778
In response to penn nation
CoBL Article on AJ Levine
https://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/...
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penn nation
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11-27-23 07:51 PM - Post#359780
In response to SteveChop
He was also named to the All Tournament team for the 3 game tourney York played in over Thanksgiving weekend.
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OldBig5
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11-27-23 10:50 PM - Post#359787
In response to penn nation
From the article:
“He expects me to come in and be able to lead the team, run the show on offense, handle the ball, and score it when I need to,” Levine said. “He talked to me about how they haven’t really had a good point guard leader to run the show.”
Hope Clark does not read that. LOL.
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Chip Bayers
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A J Levine
11-28-23 06:25 PM - Post#359801
In response to OldBig5
Pretty sure Clark has never thought of himself as a PG.
Sounds like his floor could be a Silpe or Klatsky level rotation contributor, with his ceiling a Rosen-type who willed himself into being a scoring point by the time he was done. Or senior-year Foreman maybe.
Edited by Chip Bayers on 11-28-23 06:29 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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TheLine
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A J Levine
11-28-23 06:35 PM - Post#359802
In response to Chip Bayers
I'd set both the ceiling and floor a couple notches lower.
There's a lot of variability in the possible outcomes.
Rosen is a rather high ceiling. Wasn't he Ivy POY, and for a team he had to put on his back?
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SomeGuy
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Re: A J Levine
11-28-23 10:11 PM - Post#359804
In response to Chip Bayers
Although Clark is playing a lot more like a point guard right now. Kind of a new phenomenon, but he is the primary ball handler, and he is finding guys off his drives much more than ever before. He’s 2nd in the Ivy in assists per game right now.
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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Re: A J Levine
11-28-23 11:03 PM - Post#359808
In response to Chip Bayers
Sounds like his floor could be a Silpe or Klatsky level rotation contributor, with his ceiling a Rosen-type who willed himself into being a scoring point by the time he was done.
Yeah, I'm thinking Levine has a lot in common with Silpe, Klatsky, and Rosen.
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penn nation
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Re: A J Levine
11-28-23 11:35 PM - Post#359809
In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
Well, at least in terms of paternal ancestry at some point. No idea in terms of current identification, even though half of the contributors here are probably dying to know.
Edited by penn nation on 11-28-23 11:36 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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andybech
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Re: A J Levine
11-29-23 01:58 PM - Post#359819
In response to SomeGuy
Definitely interesting that Clark is passing better than ever now, especially since he is playing with Brown who supposedly had better point guard skills than anyone else Clark as played with. Brown's shot however has been even better than advertised.
Maybe the lack of Dingle is putting the ball in Clark's hands more and as a senior he has learned more about when to pass and when to shoot.
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Mike Porter
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Re: A J Levine
11-29-23 02:01 PM - Post#359820
In response to TheLine
I'd set both the ceiling and floor a couple notches lower.
There's a lot of variability in the possible outcomes.
Rosen is a rather high ceiling. Wasn't he Ivy POY, and for a team he had to put on his back?
Agree. I hope is another under the radar find that proves to be a great Penn player, and saw the notes that he is off to a good senior season start.
That said, to set expectations, he is a 6' point guard when we are already loaded up on guards, and we only just offered him like a month ago when as far as I can tell, he had one D1 offer for a local school and a D3 offer from Carnegie Mellon (hey at least they did beat Princeton that one time). By his own words, he had a "slow summer" of recruiting.
I can't emphasize enough how important this 2024 recruiting class is. The continued pattern from this staff is load up a good class every 3 years and then miss a lot in between (especially on bigs). We have a quality freshman class, but we are suffering from earlier classes that just weren't good enough.
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palestra38
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Re: A J Levine
11-29-23 03:01 PM - Post#359825
In response to Mike Porter
We are suffering having lost our best two players. We would not be suffering had they stayed.
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SteveChop
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Re: A J Levine
11-29-23 04:33 PM - Post#359832
In response to palestra38
Only Jordan left. Max Martz did not come back b/c of injury - that's a lot different.
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palestra38
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Re: A J Levine
11-29-23 05:06 PM - Post#359836
In response to SteveChop
He left. I didn't say why. I will say I fully expect Max will play another year elsewhere. But no matter what, Penn lost its top 2 players and that turned a top of cycle year into a rebuilding year.
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yoyo
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11-29-23 06:37 PM - Post#359839
In response to palestra38
I fear with the transfer portal there will be no longer be “top cycle”
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penn nation
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11-29-23 06:38 PM - Post#359840
In response to yoyo
I fear with the transfer portal there will be no longer be “top cycle”
More like 'spin cycle'.
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10Q
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11-30-23 03:05 PM - Post#359927
In response to yoyo
Dingle was historically great. That won't happen often. There isn't much market for Penn basketball players in the spin cycle.
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Chip Bayers
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Re: A J Levine
11-30-23 06:51 PM - Post#359936
In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
Sounds like his floor could be a Silpe or Klatsky level rotation contributor, with his ceiling a Rosen-type who willed himself into being a scoring point by the time he was done.
Yeah, I'm thinking Levine has a lot in common with Silpe, Klatsky, and Rosen.
It’s true that the handful of pure PGs Penn has recruited & played across multiple coaching regimes in this millenium is dominated by MoTT.
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TheLine
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11-30-23 07:06 PM - Post#359937
In response to Chip Bayers
Ibby?
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Penndemonium
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11-30-23 07:38 PM - Post#359938
In response to TheLine
Silpe and Klatzky are the cautionary tales against high expectations. They were both great HS players, but not able to be standout players at the next level. Rosen was just a different species of competitor than almost anyone else.
I like our young guards a lot, and wouldn't mind another Rosen or Ibby to come along.
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penn nation
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Re: A J Levine
11-30-23 08:01 PM - Post#359939
In response to Chip Bayers
It’s true that the handful of pure PGs Penn has recruited & played across multiple coaching regimes in this millenium is dominated by MoTT.
Ironically, Dick Motta was not.
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TheLine
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A J Levine
12-01-23 05:57 PM - Post#359975
In response to Penndemonium
Silpe and Klatzky are the cautionary tales against high expectations.
Yup. And there's nothing wrong with what they contributed, rotation regulars have value.
If you remember, Silpe was the "big catch" of his class, meanwhile Foreman, who played HS ball a couple towns over, was a recruiting afterthought.
Levine can clearly score. It's just tough to judge how good he'll be at the college level.
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SomeGuy
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Re: A J Levine
12-01-23 10:05 PM - Post#359979
In response to TheLine
I think in both players were also recruited with a role in mind that the coach ultimately changed their mind about. I think Dunphy thought he would run an offense with a pass first point guard with Klatsky, and then after seeing it for a year decided to play with bigger combo guards instead. Klatsky himself was a different player (and frankly a better one) as more of a combo rotation guard his senior year.
Silpe was kind of similar. I think he wanted to be more of a distributor and initially played that role. But by senior year he was more of a combo rotation guy.
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Chip Bayers
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12-02-23 12:38 PM - Post#359992
In response to SomeGuy
Dunph always favored two combo guards over a pure point/shooting guard pair. And preferably in the tall guard category. I think Klatsky as starter was driven by roster limitations at the time—there just wasn’t a workable pair that fit his system. It took the combo guard transfer Toole to solve that.
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SomeGuy
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12-02-23 12:48 PM - Post#359994
In response to Chip Bayers
My theory is that the roster structure was intentional. I think the staff was rightly extremely excited about that class and thought they had a potential full starting five. But Klatsky/King/Bailey (and Archibong as a 3) didn’t involve any true combo guards. I think they thought they might have more of a traditional point guard with a shooting guard kind of concept. And then the year of klatsky/Plummer caused them to see the need to bring in Toole and Begley and play with bigger combos who wouldn’t get pushed around on defense. So Klatsky became a rotation combo, Koko played the 4, and King and Bailey never really got to play.
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Chip Bayers
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A J Levine
12-02-23 09:03 PM - Post#360038
In response to SomeGuy
King had injury issues too, didn’t he? Otherwise he might have played a lot more as a big combo guard.
Edited by Chip Bayers on 12-02-23 09:03 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Mike Porter
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Re: A J Levine
12-02-23 09:31 PM - Post#360044
In response to Chip Bayers
King had injury issues too, didn’t he? Otherwise he might have played a lot more as a big combo guard.
Maybe one of the years, but not a lot of injury issues that I recall. That’s why there was a “free Duane King” movement on the board then. He was super athletic and could hit 3’s but basically never got any run from Dunphy.
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SomeGuy
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Re: A J Levine
12-03-23 09:27 AM - Post#360066
In response to Chip Bayers
I don’t think King really had combo skills. He was a kid who played center in high school but had guard size at the next level.
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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12-03-23 11:32 AM - Post#360076
In response to SomeGuy
December 30, 2001.
Liacouras Center.
Five minutes left in the game.
From high up in the rafters screams a frustrated, disbelieving T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
"DUAAAAAAAAAANE KIIIIIIIING!!!!"
Fran sends in Duane King.
Duane King scores on a layup.
"THANK YOU, FRAN."
Duane King misses a defensive assignment and Temple scores an easy two.
Duane King sits down, never to be seen again.
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