PeteD
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01-20-24 04:28 PM - Post#361870
Princeton on a 10-2 run to lead 57-49, 7:53 to go.
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Chet Forte
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01-20-24 05:01 PM - Post#361877
In response to PeteD
Tough 70-62 loss; got it within 2 or 3 but a few shots rimmed out.
DLR came in and scored 19, with 3 assists. All in all, despite a few bad calls, I thought we went head to head with Princeton once DLR entered the game. We are reasonably deep and are one big man away from being a good team. I think Princeton was beatable by us, but we had a few missed opportunities to steal the game. One thought—should DLR be the PG and Avery Brown the SG? I love Avery Brown’s game but don’t see any assists being generated by him. I think the ultimate difference today was that Princeton hit some dagger 3s at crunch time when we failed to make our 3s. All in all, a good, no make that very good, effort against a very good team with a really good PG in Lee.
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IvyBballFan
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01-20-24 05:38 PM - Post#361882
In response to Chet Forte
Tough 70-62 loss; got it within 2 or 3 but a few shots rimmed out.
Great job by the Lions to stay in it. Coming up the court tied at 47 with 11min left, you really felt like the Tigers' experience... and the Lions' lack thereof, in these situations, started to kick in.
With these three consecutive great efforts against the league's top three teams, the Lions should have confidence as they approach the rest of the schedule. This is a very strong 0-3 team, with a real shot at the IL tourney.
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Chet Forte
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01-20-24 05:51 PM - Post#361884
In response to IvyBballFan
DLR continues to impress. After missing the first two games, he came off the bench with a heavily bandaged hand and was electric.
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Chet Forte
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01-20-24 05:55 PM - Post#361886
In response to Chet Forte
I also should note that the refs did us no favors today—the visitors took 15 fouls shots and we took 4. It wasn’t so much the fouls called on us; it was the lack of fouls called on Princeton.
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Tiger69
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01-20-24 11:57 PM - Post#361931
In response to Chet Forte
I see the disparity in FTs more as an indication of Columbia’s futile efforts to keep up with P’s balanced offense rather than uneven officiating. Princeton has a more polished D this year demonstrated by consistently low game foul totals. C played a great game and hung with the Tigers throughout. But, IMHO the refs were not a factor in the outcome.
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Chet Forte
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01-21-24 12:37 AM - Post#361934
In response to Tiger69
Princeton has a very good team. We are much improved and played very well today. But I do think that only going to the free throw line 4 times is rather striking, since our guards are not bashful in driving into the lane. I was proud of our guys to play so well against an excellent Princeton team.
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jeromelh
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01-21-24 09:01 AM - Post#361939
In response to Chet Forte
As a Princeton fan, I was really impressed with the play of the Lions, especially DLR. He is a stud. His presence changes the whole team.
I am not surprised by the discrepancy in foul shots. Princeton has a very thin bench at the present time, so they are very careful to stay out of foul trouble and to not carelessly challenge shots in the paint. With the exception of one game where Pierce was in foul trouble, this has worked well for the tigers.
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ToothlessTiger
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01-21-24 09:44 AM - Post#361940
In response to jeromelh
As a Tiger fan I am relieved that DLR missed much of the first half. I wonder why. He played at a very high level off the bench.
The Tiger bench is getting deeper as we go. Davis has Henderson's trust and Scott helps. Huggins still looks raw, but he can be a factor in the paint. When Peter's shoots well, as he did yesterday, bench depth is less of an issue. Everything can change if someone gets hurt, of course.
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Chet Forte
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 01-21-24 11:07 AM - Post#361942
In response to ToothlessTiger
DLR was injured and missed the first two Ivy games,Yale and Cornell, both on the road, in which we played well but were down a few possessions but could not make key stops. coach Engles didn’t plan to play DLR yesterday according to the post game presser since DLR had no practice, but DLR wanted to go in and played well after shaking off a little rust. So here is where I see Columbia: some very good guards and a significant disadvantage in the front court where Josh Odunowo is an excellent but undersized player and the two sophomores (Bedri and Thompson) have potential but are still a year away. But all in all, this is a much better team than a year ago and was able to hang with a very, very good Princeton team.
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ToothlessTiger
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01-21-24 11:37 AM - Post#361944
In response to Chet Forte
DLR has an excellent shot at All Ivy if he plays like that without injury. Very nice player.
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sparman
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Men vs Princeton
01-21-24 01:22 PM - Post#361950
In response to Chet Forte
The Columbia announcers - who sounded knowledgeable generally and were a pleasure to listen to overall - seemed to validate most of the foul calls.
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Chet Forte
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01-21-24 02:30 PM - Post#361957
In response to sparman
To be sure I am not contending that we lost because of the officiating. I counted a few instances in which I thought that we might have gotten a call in which the refs didn’t make the call, that’s all. As far as the announcers, the Columbia team does do a good job and are not the homers that we sometimes see elsewhere.
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Albert08
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Re: Men vs Princeton
01-21-24 02:35 PM - Post#361958
In response to sparman
The Columbia announcers, especially Lance Medow, really do dig deep into their bag of cliches: "he hits the trifecta" (for a 3 point shot) or "the bank is open on Saturday," (for a bank shot) - you could close your eyes (or ears) and think you were listening to Marty Glickman or Les Keiter calling a game 60 years ago.
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SRP
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01-21-24 06:20 PM - Post#361971
In response to Albert08
DLR's alertness and quickness on defense were also eye-opening. He got his hands on some balls that not many players could.
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Columbia 37P6
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01-21-24 08:58 PM - Post#361982
In response to SRP
Albert08, I enjoyed reading your post that "the Columbia announcers, especially Lance Medow, really do dig deep into their bag of cliches..." However, for clarification, it probably should be noted that Mr. Medow is the sole announcer on every Columbia home basketball and football game and the second person on the broadcasts is an independent "color anyalyst," whose job is to assist the announcer,Mr. Medow. The color analyst for the Princeton game was Barry Rohrsen. He is a very knowledgable person having coached the Manhattan Jaspers among others. The color analyst for the women games is also very knowledgable. As for Mr. Medow, I think he knows his stuff, but, as you noted, he uses an overabundance of cliches in his broadcasts which I find very tiring. During the Princeton game, I happened to write down a few of his annoying cliches. Thus "not on my watch,' " one turnover leads to another," "turnovers continue to pile up for the Lions," "create something out of nothing," and "try to stop the bleeding." That's just a few of the many cliches that Mr. Medow uses in every game he broadcasts. I have no idea whether Marty Glickman or Les Keiter called games on the radio in the same manner 60 years ago. However, Mr. Medow's broadcasts are usually visual in nature so the listener then did not have the option of watching games without turning off the sound. When I find Mr. Medow's cliches too overwhelming, I simply turn off the sound.
Edited by Columbia 37P6 on 01-21-24 08:59 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Chet Forte
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01-21-24 11:18 PM - Post#361987
In response to Columbia 37P6
Lance Medow is terrific. I am glad we have him.
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PeteD
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01-22-24 03:27 AM - Post#361991
In response to Chet Forte
I like Medow too... the clichés don't bother me, and I like how he expresses enthusiasm at just the right moment... he'll give props to the other team when they make great plays too, which I like to hear.
I'd like to see Sal Licata as an analyst again. Cuff was my favorite color guy for Columbia basketball... wish ESPN would give him the Ivy Madness gig... I think he'd be perfect for it.
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ToothlessTiger
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01-22-24 09:12 AM - Post#361995
In response to PeteD
Medow hosted the Ivy coaches zoom presser preseason for women and men. He was thoroughly prepared, amiable and very professional over 2 days. I enjoy his work.
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Albert08
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01-22-24 10:23 AM - Post#361997
In response to PeteD
Just for the record, I also enjoy Lance Medow's preparedness, enthusiasm, etc. But I do think he overdoes the cliches. And I also think that Jerry Recco and Sal Licata were very good and fun to listen to when Columbia had them for its basketball announcers.
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