The Pine
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01-23-24 02:50 PM - Post#362038
For everyone asking for SD's head, I have a question..... Dingle transferred, not his fault. Martz retired, not his fault. Slajchert got injured also not his fault. Therefore, this year the starting five could have been Dingle, Slajchert, Perkins, Spinoso and Martz with a deep bench. That's not too bad. Coaching decisions aside, it appears he recruited a decent team for this year that just didn't pan out. It happens, but don't you think he did his job?
I'd like to know the forum thoughts. Be nice please. BTW, I am neither an SD fan nor foe.
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palestra38
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Re: Question
01-23-24 03:04 PM - Post#362039
In response to The Pine
Well, he had all 3 of those guys last year with a 17 point lead at Princeton at halftime with the title on the line and came out tense and played not to lose. Princeton didn't even play that well and we lost. Time and time again, Steve's teams fold down the stretch--we lose far more close games than we win. I grant you that he got a tough break this year, but you make your own chances. He had the chance last year and lost 3 times to Princeton when he clearly should have won one and had a good chance to win a second. He was outcoached at Cornell and Dartmouth, which made second half adjustments and he didn't. Guys like Spinoso who has some great ability, have not really improved like we see on teams such as Princeton and Yale. His one winning team was with players he inherited and had a bunch of seniors who were coaches on the floor. I was about the most optimistic Penn fan on earth before 2 seasons ago---he has lost me.
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Streamers
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01-23-24 03:38 PM - Post#362041
In response to palestra38
I don't disagree with any of your points, but I will respond the way I always do in these situations to say: "Where will you go to find a better replacement?" It's never a good idea to fire someone without considering this.
BTW do we know SD's contract status?
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The Pine
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Re: Question
01-23-24 04:31 PM - Post#362047
In response to palestra38
All fair points, but one could argue that Princeton was just a superior , more experienced team. They did make it deep into the tourney against power teams. Nevertheless, SD put the team in a position to win both the Ivy title, and advance to the Ivy Tourney final. That's not too bad. Most teams weren't even in that position. However,I do agree his teams have been terrible in OT, in close games, too Dingle-centric without sharing the ball and, if you have the nation's #2 scorer and don't win, well c'mon.
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palestra38
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Re: Question
01-23-24 04:57 PM - Post#362048
In response to The Pine
No one can take anything away from Princeton. They made a great run in the NCAA's. But we had the title in our hands and couldn't hold a 17 point lead and also had a lead in the final 2 minutes in the playoff game that we also lost. How many in a row have we lost to Princeton? Which as a Penn fan is absolutely unacceptable.
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91Quake
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Reg: 11-22-04
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01-23-24 08:04 PM - Post#362053
In response to Streamers
Hamilton, NY
A Penn alum who has overachieved consistently with far less resources and far fewer advantages. No brainer. Should be a 15 second coaching search.
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91Quake
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01-23-24 08:08 PM - Post#362054
In response to 91Quake
And consistent mediocrity and incredible apathy about the program should be enough reason for a change.
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Penndemonium
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01-24-24 05:12 AM - Post#362057
In response to 91Quake
Palestra38, the whole 17 point lead Princeton thing is old news now. Honestly it's just tiring. I'm not disagreeing. But WE'VE HEARD YOU ALREADY. Hundreds of times. Please. It's like listening to my mother-in-law who tells the same stories again and again. She unfortunately has dementia, so has good reasons to be a broken record. You have plenty of good (other) insights to share.
If you give this a rest, I'll stop talking about Spinoso's shooting touch and Paul Chambers' defense.
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Streamers
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01-24-24 10:00 AM - Post#362061
In response to 91Quake
Hamilton, NY
A Penn alum who has overachieved consistently with far less resources and far fewer advantages. No brainer. Should be a 15 second coaching search.
I agree he would be on the list, but based on what little we know, there is little reason to believe he wants to break his lengthy contract, even to come back to Philadelphia. If alums are preferred, Bowman and Toole are out there as well. I would think both might be more interested.
Of course, all of this is just idle speculation. My point was they would need to have someone lined up before cutting SD along with a healthy recruiting budget.
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palestra38
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01-24-24 12:08 PM - Post#362064
In response to Penndemonium
LOL. Well, if people stop asking questions about Donahue and his status, I won't bring it up again. Sorry, but I'm still grinding my teeth over that second half.
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palestra38
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01-24-24 12:09 PM - Post#362065
In response to Streamers
It's not going to happen. So any speculation is simply over whether it should happen, which probably is a waste of time.
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Streamers
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01-24-24 01:08 PM - Post#362068
In response to palestra38
It's not going to happen. So any speculation is simply over whether it should happen, which probably is a waste of time.
Agreed...
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Penndemonium
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01-24-24 01:17 PM - Post#362069
In response to palestra38
Thanks. To be honest, it only registered to me as one of several crazy comebacks in the Penn-Princeton rivalry - but I know it felt different to you. Honestly all of them were utter collapses by either team. It is an emotional rivalry. It's just that there are only about 5 of us who are posting and care about the team these days, so no point repeating!
LOL. Well, if people stop asking questions about Donahue and his status, I won't bring it up again. Sorry, but I'm still grinding my teeth over that second half.
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Penndemonium
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01-24-24 01:23 PM - Post#362070
In response to Penndemonium
Are the Ivies in a good position with regards to the other conferences to attract established head coaches? It seems that the scholarship, NIL, and admissions disadvantages are becoming a bigger stretch.
Time for all of you to start sponsoring NIL! I'm a passionate fan, but am way too frugal for that. 
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SomeGuy
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01-24-24 02:33 PM - Post#362073
In response to Penndemonium
Curious when there will be an opening to test this. Is there any other conference where the shortest tenured coach is in their 8th season? The Ivy just doesn’t fire coaches, for better or for worse. And we have a really good group of coaches right now. Even Engles, who seemed most vulnerable to firing coming into this year, seems to have the ship turned around.
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Tiger69
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 01-24-24 06:57 PM - Post#362080
In response to palestra38
P38. Thanks for reminding me about that game. I was grinding my teeth in the first half. And also during the second loss to yale who came back from 20 down to take the regular season series from us. It’s ugly. But at some time or other it happens to (mostly) all of us.
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Penndemonium
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01-25-24 12:49 AM - Post#362082
In response to Tiger69
P38. Thanks for reminding me about that game. I was grinding my teeth in the first half. And also during the second loss to yale who came back from 20 down to take the regular season series from us. It’s ugly. But at some time or other it happens to (mostly) all of us.
That was kind of my point. It happened to both Fran Dunphy and Pete Carrill too. Both are legendary coaches. It's fine with me if that is the last straw for P38, but the recruiting inconsistency and the team's defense over the years is a bigger concern for me.
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palestra38
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01-25-24 09:02 AM - Post#362085
In response to Penndemonium
Ahhh, but it didn't happen consistently to either of them. Losing close games consistently and losing to Princeton consistently is the unique talent of this current coaching staff.
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Tiger69
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 01-25-24 11:12 AM - Post#362093
In response to palestra38
Turns out that my dentist is a Quaker women’s basketball alumna. She knows all about people who grind their teeth!
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palestra38
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01-25-24 11:47 AM - Post#362096
In response to Tiger69
You still an exile in Cabo?
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