Eric Von Zipper
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02-03-24 09:24 AM - Post#362647
Opens Princeton -7 1/2 O/U 143
Glad I forgot about yesterday's game. Don't think I missed a thing.
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SRP
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02-03-24 04:21 PM - Post#362676
In response to Eric Von Zipper
No margin for error for an Ivy title now. Realistically, probably need to run the table to get a share.
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1LotteryPick1969
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02-03-24 07:38 PM - Post#362682
In response to SRP
No points in paint!
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TigerFan
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02-03-24 07:51 PM - Post#362683
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Second night in a row where the Tigers screw up the last minute of the first half. Up 6 and looking good then lost rhythm on both ends and limp in to halftime up two. Not sure why Phillip Byriel has a green light to fire from deep--he's shooting 11% from three for the season and threw up two uglies in the first half.
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Tiger81
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02-03-24 08:01 PM - Post#362684
In response to TigerFan
Offense seems very clunky. Many 3s getting launched but not the result of ball movement with just 3 assists on 11 FGs. Matt Allocco is also not a factor, 2 shots, 1 assist. Defense looks very tight and Brown is shooting poorly … except from 3P, which is keeping them in the game.
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Tiger81
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02-03-24 08:35 PM - Post#362686
In response to Tiger81
Allocco is now playing with passion in the second half, as is Pierce. Up 5 with 5:36 to go, every possession is a grind but the Tigers seem to have lifted their game a notch.
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1LotteryPick1969
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02-03-24 08:54 PM - Post#362690
In response to Tiger81
Keno Lilly cannot carry the team single-handed.
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whitakk
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02-03-24 08:59 PM - Post#362693
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Nice to close out another game against an inferior team, but it's a good thing Brown can't score.
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TigerFan
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02-03-24 09:29 PM - Post#362698
In response to whitakk
Tigers grind out a tough win on the road. Sensational 20/21 from the free throw line is the difference the night after they only shoot three freebies.
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LocalTiger
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02-03-24 09:36 PM - Post#362700
In response to TigerFan
a road win on a night when the offense was not clicking.
Great point about free throws. It was a joke that we had none
for the first 39 minutes against Yale.
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whitakk
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02-03-24 10:02 PM - Post#362710
In response to LocalTiger
I actually thought until the final couple minutes Princeton got a worse whistle today than yesterday (mainly on the other end)
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1LotteryPick1969
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02-03-24 10:07 PM - Post#362712
In response to whitakk
Nice to close out another game against an inferior team, but it's a good thing Brown can't score.
To me a real coaching failure by Brown: the double was coming off of every screen--need to find an open shooter.
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gokinsmen
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Bruno
02-03-24 10:34 PM - Post#362717
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Great "recovery" game. It reminds me of last year's ugly win @ Harvard after blowing that 17pt lead to Yale at home. With that game, our guys found their mojo and beat Penn twice before finally defeating Yale and reaching the Sweet 16.
Neither Cornell or Yale have faced each other -- or us -- on the road yet. As far as I'm concerned, it's still a three-way tie for first. If a Top 3 team wins on another's homecourt, then there'll be a leader/favorite.
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SRP
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02-04-24 08:20 AM - Post#362730
In response to gokinsmen
Better offensive individual ability and hard work on D were big in this game.
Way too many static offensive possessions where nobody moved and somebody went iso. And rebounding on both ends was less than sensational. Great job of hitting FTs down the stretch. I think with Saturday refs it’s better if they just let more stuff go, as they did in this game. When the bad refs try to keep it very clean there are too many inconsistencies—better to have a lot of dubious noncalls.
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sparman
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02-04-24 10:06 AM - Post#362734
In response to SRP
Way too many static offensive possessions where nobody moved and somebody went iso.
I only watched 2H but had same reaction.
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1LotteryPick1969
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02-04-24 11:08 AM - Post#362737
In response to sparman
Way too many static offensive possessions where nobody moved and somebody went iso.
I only watched 2H but had same reaction.
Same as last year but it was Tosan who went iso; either finished one on one, or kicked if he drew a double. But none of this group really draws a double.
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gokinsmen
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Bruno
02-04-24 11:29 AM - Post#362739
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Mitch said in the postgame interview that everyone (on both teams) was incredibly tired after playing physical games the night before. Which is to say that sometimes iso-ball is unavoidable.
I'm just glad we have guys who can score like that if necessary.
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ToothlessTiger
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02-04-24 12:19 PM - Post#362754
In response to gokinsmen
This game featured one call I saw for the first time
A Brown player was called for being the first to touch the ball after he left the court voluntarily. It was confusing because he was not shown on the broadcast.
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SecS3
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02-04-24 01:20 PM - Post#362757
In response to ToothlessTiger
Anyone else notice that there were more than twice as many fans at the Princeton-Brown women's game as there were for the men's game? That has to be a first, no?
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TigerFan
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Re: Bruno
02-04-24 02:04 PM - Post#362760
In response to gokinsmen
I'm just glad we have guys who can score like that if necessary.
I'm just glad we have guys that can make free throws!
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Tiger81
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02-04-24 02:45 PM - Post#362764
In response to TigerFan
I would have liked to see Dalen Davis take a few more shots when the offense got bogged down. Kind of like Maddy St. Rose last year for WBB, he is obviously very gifted but seems overly deferential and is till finding his place in the offense.
Also interesting to see Phil Byriel now getting minutes as the first big off the bench. When Martini and/or Pierce sit it definitely changes the tempo and fluidity of the offense.
One other note: seems like the scout on Princeton has flagged the two-man game Lee and Pierce have played so successfully where one screens for the other and then rolls to the hoop on the double-team. Too bad because that has produced a lot of nifty assists and easy buckets.
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SRP
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02-04-24 04:32 PM - Post#362767
In response to Tiger81
Even when Tosan was attacking the middle and kicking out last year, guys on the perimeter were moving and relocating or threatening to back cut. I’ ll buy fatigue as an explanation for the relative immobility against Brown.
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1LotteryPick1969
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02-04-24 08:49 PM - Post#362781
In response to SRP
Either way, no one draws a double on this team.
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Albert08
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02-04-24 10:34 PM - Post#362785
In response to SecS3
A crowd of 2,710, the largest to attend a Princeton women's game at Jadwin since January 2013 (Niveen Rasheed era). It was helped by something called "National Girls & Women in Sports Day," including pre-game activities and a post-game autograph session. In comparison, the recent game against Columbia drew a crowd of 1,873, which is not bad. Seems there is a greater focus in the Athletic Dept. on marketing the product, which is good.
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gokinsmen
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Re: Bruno
02-04-24 10:53 PM - Post#362789
In response to TigerFan
I'm just glad we have guys that can make free throws!
2nd best in the nation this year! From 71.2% last season to 80.7% this season.
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gokinsmen
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Bruno
02-04-24 10:55 PM - Post#362790
In response to Tiger81
One other note: seems like the scout on Princeton has flagged the two-man game Lee and Pierce have played so successfully where one screens for the other and then rolls to the hoop on the double-team.
I think a big reason for our 2 Ivy losses is Allocco not being himself. On the Make Shots podcast, Mitch mentioned Allocco playing with a sore back and even during the Harvard win, he was grabbing his lower back on the bench. His defense remains stalwart but we're no longer a team with 3 guys who can drop 20 on any given night.
For that reason, I agree that Davis is gonna have to play more and shoot more from now on. His midrange pullup jumper is money - he can take it and make it over any defender.
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SecS3
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02-05-24 12:16 AM - Post#362792
In response to Albert08
Yes it was and if remember correctly it was the Delaware game. The big draw was Ellena Della Donne (sp?). She torched us for 35 or something like that.
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SRP
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02-05-24 02:43 AM - Post#362793
In response to SecS3
BTW, someone peeking in on the broadcast noticed that Brown’s uniforms with the red trim make them look like wrappedTootsie Rolls, and now I can’t unsee it.
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Albert08
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02-05-24 11:52 AM - Post#362804
In response to SecS3
I looked it up: actually, it was the first Penn game of that season, Jan. 12, 2013, which Princeton won 77-47 before a crowd of 3,577 for its 25th straight Ivy win. However, it was the first game of a Jadwin doubleheader against Penn (3:30 pm & 6:00 pm), and the stats show that the attendance at the men's game was also 3,577. So, the attendance at the Brown game on Saturday was probably higher since it was a stand-alone women's game, not the first half of a doubleheader.
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SecS3
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02-05-24 01:04 PM - Post#362806
In response to Albert08
Thanks. Interesting. The game I was thinking of was actually the year before and drew a little over 1,800 fans. I guess that seemed like a lot since Princeton's rise was still in its infancy stage at that time and probably rarely, if ever, attracted 1,000 people up to that point.
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sparman
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02-05-24 03:38 PM - Post#362816
In response to SRP
BTW, someone peeking in on the broadcast noticed that Brown’s uniforms with the red trim make them look like wrappedTootsie Rolls, and now I can’t unsee it.
Just so you are not the only one so afflicted:
https://economycandy.com/product/tootsie-rolls -mid...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Brown_Bears _Ath...
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Old Bear
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02-05-24 08:11 PM - Post#362821
In response to sparman
I like Tootsie rolls too.
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