rbg
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02-10-24 11:50 PM - Post#363049
After 7 games.
1. Yale 7-0 (NET 82, KenPom 86, Torvik 77)
2. Cornell 6-1 (NET 83, KenPom 101, Torvik 101)
3. Princeton 5-2 (NET 52, KenPom 66, Torvik 79)
4. Harvard 3-4 (NET 191, KenPom 215, Torvik 194)
4. Columbia 3-4 (NET 203, KenPom 194, Torvik 186)
6. Brown 2-5 (NET 254, KenPom 271, Torvik 270)
7. Penn 1-6 (NET 209, KenPom 204, Torvik 191)
7. Dartmouth 1-6 (NET 337, KenPom 341, Torvik 344)
Yale
vs Cornell 1-0 (Game #2 away 2/23)
vs Princeton 1-0 (Game #2 away 2/17)
vs Harvard 1-0 (Game #2 home 3/2)
vs Columbia 1-0 (Game #2 away 2/24)
vs Brown 1-0 (Game #2 home 3/9)
vs Penn 1-0 (Game #2 away 2/16)
vs Dartmouth 1-0 (Game #2 home 3/1)
Cornell
vs Yale 0-1 (Game #2 home 2/23)
vs Princeton 1-0 (Game #2 away 3/2)
vs Harvard 1-0 (Game #2 home 2/16)
vs Columbia 1-0 (Game #2 away 3/9)
vs Brown 1-0 (Game #2 home 2/24)
vs Penn 1-0 (Game #2 away 3/1)
vs Dartmouth 1-0 (Game #2 home 2/17)
Princeton
vs Yale 0-1 (Game #2 home 2/17)
vs Cornell 0-1 (Game #2 home 3/2)
vs Harvard 1-0 (Game #2 away 2/23)
vs Columbia 1-0 (Game #2 home 3/1)
vs Brown 1-0 (Game #2 home 2/16)
vs Penn 1-0 (Game #2 away 3/9)
vs Dartmouth 1-0 (Game #2 away 2/24)
Harvard
vs Yale 0-1 (Game #2 away 3/2)
vs Cornell 0-1 (Game #2 away 2/16)
vs Princeton 0-1 (Game #2 home 2/23)
vs Columbia 1-0 (Game #2 away 2/17)
vs Brown 0-1 (Game #2 away 3/1)
vs Penn 1-0 (Game #2 home 2/24)
vs Dartmouth 1-0 (Game #2 away 3/9)
Columbia
vs Yale 0-1 (Game #2 home 2/24)
vs Cornell 0-1 (Game #2 home 3/9)
vs Princeton 0-1 (Game #2 away 3/1)
vs Harvard 0-1 (Game #2 home 2/17)
vs Brown 1-0 (Game #2 home 2/23)
vs Dartmouth 1-0 (Game #2 home 2/16)
vs Penn 1-0 (Game #2 away 3/2)
Brown
vs Yale 0-1 (Game #2 away 3/9)
vs Cornell 0-1 (Game #2 away 2/24)
vs Princeton 0-1 (Game #2 away 2/16)
vs Harvard 1-0 (Game #2 home 3/1)
vs Columbia 0-1 (Game #2 2/23)
vs Penn 1-0 (Game #2 2/17)
vs Dartmouth 0-1 (Game #2 home 3/2)
Penn
vs Yale 0-1 (Game #2 home 2/16)
vs Cornell 0-1 (Game #2 home 3/1)
vs Princeton 0-1 (Game #2 home 3/9)
vs Harvard 0-1 (Game #2 away 2/24)
vs Columbia 0-1 (Game #2 home 3/2)
vs Brown 0-1 (Game #2 home 2/17)
vs Dartmouth 1-0 (Game #2 away 2/23)
Dartmouth
vs Yale 0-1 (Game #2 away 3/1)
vs Cornell 0-1 (Game #2 away 2/17)
vs Princeton 0-1 (Game #2 home 2/24)
vs Harvard 0-1 (Game #2 home 3/9)
vs Columbia 0-1 (Game #2 away 2/16)
vs Brown 1-0 (Game #2 away 3/2)
vs Penn 0-1 (Game #2 home 2/23)
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Tiger84
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02-11-24 12:49 AM - Post#363053
In response to rbg
Interesting and very plausible scenario to consider:
1) All of the top 3 sweep against the bottom 5
2) for the 3 remaining games within the Top 3, the home team continues to hold serve, so that all three teams finish 12-2
Each of the top 3 will have identical records against each of teams 4-8. The tiebreaker will come down to computerized rankings.
Meaning Princeton is one Cornell win over Yale away from controlling its own destiny for the 1 seed.
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gokinsmen
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Ivy MBB Standings
02-11-24 01:12 AM - Post#363054
In response to Tiger84
With Yale holding serve at home against Cornell, there's still no true leader in the league. So far every Top 3 team playing at home has won against a fellow Top 3.
Since Sagarin ratings have been discontinued this year, the computerized rankings used in a three-way 12-2 tiebreaker would be NET, KenPom and BPI (ESPN). In which case, it would Princeton #1 and probably Yale #2 and Cornell #3. Needless to say, #1 seed is a big deal. Facing Harvard or Columbia (even at Levien) sounds a lot better than facing a Top 3.
There's still a lot of hoops to be played, but I never imagined it could come down to that level of tiebreaker. And next year could be more of the same with Princeton and Yale looking equally good, Harvard likely to improve a lot and Cornell capable of challenging again.
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TigerFan
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02-11-24 10:02 AM - Post#363080
In response to gokinsmen
Yale seems to have the toughest schedule remaining with road games at Princeton, Cornell, a surging Columbia, and Penn with 0 back. Next weekend will be huge.
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LocalTiger
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02-11-24 11:55 AM - Post#363102
In response to TigerFan
Agreed. Yale has enjoyed huge foul
disparity against Cornell and Princeton.
I would rather be in their position, but
holding on will be tough.
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iogyhufi
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02-11-24 06:18 PM - Post#363134
In response to LocalTiger
Yale's in the best position mostly because it's banked wins against P and C already. My back-of-the-envelope math suggests that, presuming Cornell doesn't win out, Yale sews up the one seed at 12-2 if it manages to snag one at either Jadwin or Newman. (KP gives them a 33% probability and a 43% probability to win those respective games, so a ~62% chance to win at least one.)
If Yale loses both of those, however, things get dire. They couldn't win a three-way tie with P and C all at 12-2, because the predictive ratings favor Princeton. So Yale would not only need to win all the rest of its games - no mean feat - but it would need Princeton to drop one to someone other than Cornell (because Yale would lose to Cornell on the second tiebreaker if the latter swept Princeton).
TL;DR - Yale is in the best position because they have the most leeway, but if they go 0-2 against P and C on the home stretch, they aren't likely to get the 1 seed.
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rbg
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02-19-24 06:51 PM - Post#363571
In response to iogyhufi
After 9 games.
1. Yale 8-1 (NET 82, KenPom 82, BPI 67)
1. Cornell 8-1 (NET 84, KenPom 101, BPI 100)
3. Princeton 7-2 (NET 53, KenPom 66, BPI 51)
4. Harvard 4-5 (NET 174, KenPom 203, BPI 185)
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4. Columbia 4-5 (NET 198, KenPom 206, BPI 166)
6. Brown 3-6 (NET 246, KenPom 257, BPI 223)
7. Penn 1-8 (NET 219, KenPom 220, BPI 176)
7. Dartmouth 1-8 (NET 334, KenPom 333, BPI 335)
Yale
vs Cornell 1-0 (Game #2 away 2/23)
vs Princeton 1-1
vs Harvard 1-0 (Game #2 home 3/2)
vs Columbia 1-0 (Game #2 away 2/24)
vs Brown 1-0 (Game #2 home 3/9)
vs Penn 2-0
vs Dartmouth 1-0 (Game #2 home 3/1)
Cornell
vs Yale 0-1 (Game #2 home 2/23)
vs Princeton 1-0 (Game #2 away 3/2)
vs Harvard 2-0
vs Columbia 1-0 (Game #2 away 3/9)
vs Brown 1-0 (Game #2 home 2/24)
vs Penn 1-0 (Game #2 away 3/1)
vs Dartmouth 2-0
Princeton
vs Yale 1-1
vs Cornell 0-1 (Game #2 home 3/2)
vs Harvard 1-0 (Game #2 away 2/23)
vs Columbia 1-0 (Game #2 home 3/1)
vs Brown 2-0
vs Penn 1-0 (Game #2 away 3/9)
vs Dartmouth 1-0 (Game #2 away 2/24)
Harvard
vs Yale 0-1 (Game #2 away 3/2)
vs Cornell 0-2
vs Princeton 0-1 (Game #2 home 2/23)
vs Columbia 2-0
vs Brown 0-1 (Game #2 away 3/1)
vs Penn 1-0 (Game #2 home 2/24)
vs Dartmouth 1-0 (Game #2 away 3/9)
Columbia
vs Yale 0-1 (Game #2 home 2/24)
vs Cornell 0-1 (Game #2 home 3/9)
vs Princeton 0-1 (Game #2 away 3/1)
vs Harvard 0-2
vs Brown 1-0 (Game #2 home 2/23)
vs Dartmouth 2-0
vs Penn 1-0 (Game #2 away 3/2)
Brown
vs Yale 0-1 (Game #2 away 3/9)
vs Cornell 0-1 (Game #2 away 2/24)
vs Princeton 0-2
vs Harvard 1-0 (Game #2 home 3/1)
vs Columbia 0-1 (Game #2 2/23)
vs Penn 2-0
vs Dartmouth 0-1 (Game #2 home 3/2)
Penn
vs Yale 0-2
vs Cornell 0-1 (Game #2 home 3/1)
vs Princeton 0-1 (Game #2 home 3/9)
vs Harvard 0-1 (Game #2 away 2/24)
vs Columbia 0-1 (Game #2 home 3/2)
vs Brown 0-2
vs Dartmouth 1-0 (Game #2 away 2/23)
Dartmouth
vs Yale 0-1 (Game #2 away 3/1)
vs Cornell 0-2
vs Princeton 0-1 (Game #2 home 2/24)
vs Harvard 0-1 (Game #2 home 3/9)
vs Columbia 0-2
vs Brown 1-0 (Game #2 away 3/2)
vs Penn 0-1 (Game #2 home 2/23)
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Tiger81
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02-19-24 09:21 PM - Post#363587
In response to rbg
Great piece on the Ivy hoops title race
https://www.midmajormadness.com/2024/2/19/24077144...
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Bryan
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02-19-24 10:31 PM - Post#363596
In response to Tiger81
I don't recall reading anything by Sam Federman before but that is one of the best researched, and most insightful, articles about Ivy basketball I've read in a long, long time.
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rbg
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Ivy MBB Standings
02-25-24 11:48 PM - Post#363996
In response to Bryan
After 11 games.
*1. Princeton 9-2 (NET 51, KenPom 64, BPI 51)
*1. Cornell 9-2 (NET 94, KenPom 111, BPI 105)
*1. Yale 9-2 (NET 83, KenPom 87, BPI 68)
4. Brown 5-6 (NET 217, KenPom 235, BPI 204)
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4. Harvard 5-6 (NET 180, KenPom 207, BPI 191)
6. Columbia 4-7 (NET 205, KenPom 215, BPI 169)
&7. Penn 2-9 (NET 207, KenPom 211, BPI 175)
&8. Dartmouth 1-10 (NET 336, KenPom 337, BPI 337)
* - clinched Ivy Tournament spot
& - eliminated from Ivy Tournament
Princeton
vs Cornell 0-1 (Game #2 home 3/2)
vs Yale 1-1
vs Brown 2-0
vs Harvard 2-0
vs Columbia 1-0 (Game #2 home 3/1)
vs Penn 1-0 (Game #2 away 3/9)
vs Dartmouth 2-0
Cornell
vs Princeton 1-0 (Game #2 away 3/2)
vs Yale 1-1
vs Brown 1-1
vs Harvard 2-0
vs Columbia 1-0 (Game #2 away 3/9)
vs Penn 1-0 (Game #2 away 3/1)
vs Dartmouth 2-0
Yale
vs Princeton 1-1
vs Cornell 1-1
vs Brown 1-0 (Game #2 home 3/9)
vs Harvard 1-0 (Game #2 home 3/2)
vs Columbia 2-0
vs Penn 2-0
vs Dartmouth 1-0 (Game #2 home 3/1)
Brown
vs Princeton 0-2
vs Cornell 1-1
vs Yale 0-1 (Game #2 away 3/9)
vs Harvard 1-0 (Game #2 home 3/1)
vs Columbia 1-1
vs Penn 2-0
vs Dartmouth 0-1 (Game #2 home 3/2)
Harvard
vs Princeton 0-2
vs Cornell 0-1
vs Yale 0-1 (Game #2 away 3/2)
vs Brown 0-1 (Game #2 away 3/1)
vs Columbia 2-0
vs Penn 2-0
vs Dartmouth 1-0 (Game #2 away 3/9)
Columbia
vs Princeton 0-1 (Game #2 away 3/1)
vs Cornell 0-1 (Game #2 home 3/9)
vs Yale 0-2
vs Brown 1-1
vs Harvard 0-2
vs Penn 1-0 (Game #2 away 3/2)
vs Dartmouth 2-0
Penn
vs Princeton 0-1 (Game #2 home 3/9)
vs Cornell 0-1 (Game #2 home 3/1)
vs Yale 0-2
vs Brown 0-2
vs Harvard 0-2
vs Columbia 0-1 (Game #2 home 3/2)
vs Dartmouth 2-0
Dartmouth
vs Princeton 0-2
vs Cornell 0-2
vs Yale 0-1 (Game #2 away 3/1)
vs Brown 1-0 (Game #2 away 3/2)
vs Harvard 0-1 (Game #2 home 3/5)
vs Columbia 0-2
vs Penn 0-2
Edited by rbg on 02-25-24 11:48 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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