nix23
goober
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Loc: NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: Venable's last shot
12-21-04 03:18 AM - Post#1404
In response to Quakers1
It might not have been lopsided but the last 5 minutes definitely were. If those refs don't have the testicles to make a goaltending call there they should take up another profession, that was about as clear a goaltending as I have ever seen. Between that, the phantom push they called on Savage, the 3 point foul they called on Greenman and the block on Judson. Looks pretty lopsided from this point of view.
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Anonymous
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Re: Venable's last shot
12-21-04 11:51 AM - Post#1405
In response to nix23
Check out ESPN.com's game recap. It goes so far as to claim that the Temple player "knocked the ball away off the glass" or some such to ice the win. No mention of the goaltending controversy. Unbelievable.
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Streamers
Professor
Posts: 8220
Loc: NW Philadelphia
Reg: 11-21-04
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View from Philly
12-21-04 01:19 PM - Post#1406
In response to T71
Mike Kern in the Philly Daily News:
"On the night that Chaney became the 19th Division I coach, and just the fifth who is still active, to reach the four-figure plateau in games, the Tigers came to the Liacouras Center and played the Owls even for 40 minutes. But we'll never know what would have happened in overtime, because Will Venable didn't get a goaltending call in the closing seconds that would have forced an extra 5-minute period, even though the replays on ESPN2 seemed to confirm that Dustin Salisbery had blocked his driving layup after it hit off the backboard."
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Anonymous
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Re: View from Philly
12-21-04 02:21 PM - Post#1407
In response to Streamers
Good to see someone in Philly actually saw the game!
The Temple Athletic Department recap made absolutely no mention of the controversy.
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Ancient Quaker
Masters Student
Posts: 648
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: Venable's last shot
12-21-04 06:52 PM - Post#1408
In response to nix23
Pretty sure you guys aren't interested in my opinion, but I can't help myself. Trying to be as objective as possible, it looked to me like:
(1) The goal tend at the end was a blatantly horrible no-call, both in real time and on the replays.
(2) The officiating overall favored Temple to some degree, but not to the degree that this board seems to think. I think that you are missing a key perspective -- Temple nearly always enjoys a personal foul advantage. What the source may be is subject to multiple interpretations, but anyone who plays them -- home or away -- had better be ready for them to live on the line and avoid foul trouble. The history is there for anyone who wants to look it up.
(3) I thought the call on Savage was a phantom.
(4) There were at least two balls knocked out of bounds in the last three minutes that were given to Princeton although they appeared to have been touched last by Venable -- one when he went over the backs of two Temple players in a rebounding scrum, and the other on an inbounds pass. On the latter, the look on Venable's face on the replay indicated clearly that he knew he touched it last and he appeared surprised and mildly amused when the official awarded him the ball.
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Stripes
Freshman
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Loc: Boston
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: Venable's last shot
12-22-04 04:44 PM - Post#1409
In response to Ancient Quaker
AQ - very objective, I think, and I agree with all of it, almost. The over the back rebound didn't appear to me to be off of Venable. His arm movement was back toward the middle of the court and the Temple players were moving toward the end line where the ball went. On the other hand, it reminded me a LOT of the call that went Temple's way in the Penn game (off of Zoller).
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Ancient Quaker
Masters Student
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Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: Venable's last shot
12-25-04 04:58 PM - Post#1410
In response to Stripes
Good observation. I had forgotten about that one.
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