Old Bear
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03-04-24 08:30 PM - Post#364510
In response to Tiger84
I agree with your views on Owusu-Anane. He is averaged a double double in league play in the key game against Harvard. He had 13 points 14 rebounds four assists, two steals, and a couple of blocks.
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james
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03-04-24 08:43 PM - Post#364511
In response to Old Bear
i think Tiger84's orange underoos deserve a spot on the 2nd team ahead of knowling because after all he didnt play at jadwin.
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Tiger81
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03-04-24 08:59 PM - Post#364514
In response to james
So many good players to choose from.
1 - Wolf/Pierce/Lee/Manon/Nan a
2 - Mbeng/Knowling/Allocco/Wi lliams/Lilly
HM - DLR/Okpara/Gray
POY - Pierce
ROY - Mack
COY - Earl
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SRP
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03-04-24 11:54 PM - Post#364521
In response to Tiger81
Love Owusu-Anane’s game. He is a problem to play against. Cornell’s giant rotation hurts their player stats, but Manon and Williams are both deserving of recognition in the top ten. Three or four Yale guys do too. I can’t get excited arguing about first-team/second team.
I think Pierce to be the best choice for POY based on his stats, his consistency, and his importance to the team. But YMMV.
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gokinsmen
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23/24 Men's Awards
03-09-24 09:18 PM - Post#364896
In response to SRP
POY: Caden Pierce or Xaivian Lee (whomever MH picks as the team's candidate)
COY: Mitch Henderson
ROY: Malik Mack
DPOY: Matt Allocco
First Team: Xaivian Lee, Chris Manon, Caden Pierce, Nana Owusu-Anane, Danny Wolf
Second Team: Malik Mack, Matt Allocco, Nazir Williams, John Poulakidas, Matt Knowling
My only "controversial" pick might be Allocco for DPOY, but he gets my vote for taking on the opponents' top perimeter scorer for 35mpg and containing them without a true rim protector to help. Most notably, Kino Lilly shot 6-18 and 5-17 with Allocco as his primary defender and Mack shot 4-10 and 3-11. Needless to say, those guys are darn good.
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james
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03-09-24 10:59 PM - Post#364911
In response to gokinsmen
i would go
POY: Caden Pierce
COY: Mitch Henderson
the rest i dunno but this part is more obvious. i considered mike martin for coy but was obvious to me brown was talented and underachieving in early jan when i got a decent look at them so despite the recent run it"s catch up...he would now be worthy of runner up.
#%$@ out of me as a player.
but he was good then and he is good now, as a coach.
princeton really played tough to finish the regular season and replacing a "once in a" type player and pulling this off is impressive. tip of the cap.
caden pierce's offense is expanding to match his blood lines.
it's quite impressive.
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Old Bear
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Re: 23/24 Men's Awards
03-10-24 09:36 AM - Post#364937
In response to gokinsmen
League's leading scorer not on your all-Ivy? Really?
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LocalTiger
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03-10-24 11:13 AM - Post#364947
In response to Tiger84
With all the games in,
I agree that it is a tough
year, and ties may expand on of the
teams.
First Team
Pierce
Lee
Wolf
Owusu-Anane
Manon
Second Team
Knowling
Lilly
Allocco
Williams
deLa Rosa
Honorable Mention
Mbeng
DeLa Rosa
Slajchert
POY- Pierce
Roy- Mack
COY- Earl
DPOY- Ajogbor
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TigerFan
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03-10-24 11:59 AM - Post#364953
In response to LocalTiger
I's sorry Local Tiger, but I just don't know how you give Earl COY over Mitch. Brian got it two year's ago for a fourth place finish and I don't see how you would go back to him two years later for a second place tie. Mitch was arguably jobbed in 2022 when he didn't win the award after coaching the Tigers to an outright title after the brutal COVID year.
Brian is a great coach but what Mitch and the Tigers have done this year, after losing three starters from the Sweet Sixteen team, is extraordinary. They win the league outright while everyone thought Yale would come out on top, pulled off the rare three-peat, compiled a 24-3 record and are top-10 in the nation in all the "discipline stats" (turnovers, asst/TO ratio, fewest fouls, FT shooting).
Mitch has built a phenomenal program here. That should be an argument for him receiving COY, not an argument against it.
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LocalTiger
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03-10-24 12:09 PM - Post#364954
In response to TigerFan
I don't have a serious problem with Mitch
getting it. I think he is doing a great job.
I give Earl a slight edge for two reason:
1) the degree of difficulty in accomplishing
what he has in Ithaca: and 2) the system
he has developed, which seems to make
winning sustainable without the Pierces and Lees
we are blessed to have.
In fact, I hope that genius is recognized by a big money
school and he moves on from the Ivies. Then, Mitch
can win COY consistently.
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gokinsmen
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Re: 23/24 Men's Awards
03-10-24 12:54 PM - Post#364961
In response to Old Bear
League's leading scorer not on your all-Ivy? Really?
1) I'm judging only based on Ivy play, in which case Lee and Pierce tied for top scorer (18.4ppg).
2) Lilly only shot 38% in Ivy play. He's super dangerous but wasn't very efficient this year.
3) With so many deserving players, including Lilly, I'm giving the tiebreaker to the Top 3 teams who finished way ahead.
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iogyhufi
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Re: 23/24 Men's Awards
03-13-24 01:02 PM - Post#365086
In response to gokinsmen
Men's All-Ivy awards are out.
PLAYER OF THE YEAR
Caden Pierce, Princeton (So., F)
DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR
Bez Mbeng, Yale (Jr., G)
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR
*Malik Mack, Harvard (Fr., G)
COACH OF THE YEAR
Mitch Henderson, Princeton
FIRST TEAM ALL-IVY
Kino Lilly Jr., Brown (Jr., G)
*Chris Manon, Cornell (Sr., G)
*Xaivian Lee, Princeton (So., G)
*Caden Pierce, Princeton (So., F)
*Danny Wolf, Yale (So., F)
SECOND TEAM ALL-IVY
Nana Owusu-Anane, Brown (Jr., F)
Nazir Williams, Cornell (Jr., G)
Clark Slajchert, Penn (Sr., G)
Matt Allocco, Princeton (Sr., G)
Bez Mbeng, Yale (Jr., G)
John Poulakidas, Yale (Jr., G)
HONORABLE MENTION
Geronimo Rubio De La Rosa, Columbia (Jr., G)
Malik Mack, Harvard (Fy., G)
Matt Knowling, Yale (Sr., F)
Edited by iogyhufi on 03-13-24 01:02 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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iogyhufi
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Re: 23/24 Men's Awards
03-13-24 01:05 PM - Post#365089
In response to iogyhufi
I was just thinking the other day about how regardless of who's "better" between Pierce and Lee (which I think is often a hard question to answer between players whose roles are so different), Pierce is certainly more indispensable to Princeton. He's the one big-man rebounder on a team with a ton of perimeter-oriented players, and I think he deserves a lot of credit for how they turned it around last year. Kudos to him.
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penn nation
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Re: 23/24 Men's Awards
03-13-24 01:32 PM - Post#365095
In response to iogyhufi
Amazing feat for Slajchert.
I wonder how many IL players have made an all team list after having appeared in only 8 out of the 14 games of the conference season.
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gokinsmen
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23/24 Men's Awards
03-13-24 02:08 PM - Post#365100
In response to penn nation
Like the Oscars, it was mostly what you expect with 1 or 2 surprises.
Pierce goes from ROY to POY. He's been super clutch and virtually mistake-free since the day he arrived. While Lee is probably the MVP for the entire season (including non-conf), Pierce was the right choice for Ivy POY.
I wouldn't have minded if Henderson and Earl tied for COY, but there's no doubt Mitch deserves his flowers this year. After losing Tosan and Langborg, a 2nd or 3rd place finish with a Top 100 NET would have been considered a success. No matter what happens in the ILT, it's been an all-time great season for the program.
I really thought Owusu-Anane deserved 1st Team. Lilly wouldn't be my vote to replace him, but the coaches chose the guy who's #1 on their scouting report. Fair enough. Slajchert making 2nd Team after missing 6 games is... a choice. He's a phenomenal player but that's over 40% of the Ivy season. By contrast, Knowling only missed 3 games and was left off 2nd Team.
But hey, it's all about this weekend. I'm sure every player, coach and fan would trade an award for a ticket to the NCAAs.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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03-13-24 02:50 PM - Post#365101
In response to gokinsmen
Surpised Harvard's Chisom Okpara didn't at least get honorable mention.
7th leading scorer (14th in FG%)
13th leading rebounder
9th in shots blocked
I guess there are 8 teams and only 14 players named.
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penn nation
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03-13-24 03:28 PM - Post#365106
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
I guess there are 8 teams and only 14 players named.
And zero centers.
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SRP
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03-13-24 04:28 PM - Post#365117
In response to penn nation
Owusu-Anane would be on my first team, as in if I were forming an All-Star team to compete, he’d be a starter.
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iogyhufi
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23/24 Men's Awards
03-13-24 05:05 PM - Post#365118
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Honorable mention, if I recall right, is just the "also receiving votes" category. Granted that coaches can't vote for their own players, but I think it's hard to make a case that Okpara should crack a top 10 even without, say, all the Princeton or Yale players (for those two teams' ballots respectively).
Edited by iogyhufi on 03-13-24 05:07 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Old Bear
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Re: 23/24 Men's Awards
03-13-24 06:50 PM - Post#365127
In response to iogyhufi
I agree with the Pierce choice. Brown had one first teamer and one almost. I love that they’re both back next year..
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