91Quake
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Reg: 11-22-04
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03-11-24 10:26 PM - Post#365039
https://www.thedp.com/article/2024/03/penn- mens-ba...
Terrible piece with no logic to it.
Clark enters the portal to no ones surprise. Good luck!
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GoQuakersGo
Sophomore
Posts: 119
Reg: 11-21-04
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Re: The DP weighs in AND Clark news....
03-11-24 10:38 PM - Post#365040
In response to 91Quake
It starts with "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" and ends with "I have complete faith in coach Donahue to build a winning culture at Penn." By the author's own logic, he is insane.
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Penn90
Masters Student
Posts: 574
Reg: 11-22-04
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03-11-24 10:41 PM - Post#365041
In response to GoQuakersGo
In the author’s defense I can say from personal experience that it’s hard to write a good sports column when you’re a college student!
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weinhauers_ghost
Postdoc
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Re: The DP weighs in AND Clark news....
03-11-24 10:49 PM - Post#365044
In response to GoQuakersGo
Clearly, the DP scribe has neither seen nor heard of the presumptive Ivy rookie of the year, Malik Mack.
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SomeGuy
Professor
Posts: 6413
Reg: 11-22-04
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Re: The DP weighs in AND Clark news....
03-11-24 11:39 PM - Post#365045
In response to weinhauers_ghost
He said “best pair.” There is only one of Mack!
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andybech
Freshman
Posts: 81
Reg: 02-15-20
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03-14-24 09:00 AM - Post#365155
In response to SomeGuy
Washington Post weighs in with an NIL article on Malik Mack. Strong case that he should just go to Georgetown if he wants academics and NIL money. Tyler Perkins mention along with Wolf and Lee as other young Ivy players that could get significant NIL money if they transferred.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/03/13/m...
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Penn90
Masters Student
Posts: 574
Reg: 11-22-04
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03-14-24 10:37 AM - Post#365158
In response to andybech
I didn't really understand the concept of collectives until I read this article. After reading it, I honestly don't understand how the Ivies will survive at a D-I level.
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Quakers03
Professor
Posts: 12533
Reg: 12-07-04
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03-15-24 10:32 PM - Post#365304
In response to Penn90
They have plenty of money to do the same. I will never understand. Why wouldn’t a Wharton grad with influence and interest in sports put up an NIL pot? Anything to stop it?
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Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts: 1900
Reg: 11-29-04
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The DP weighs in AND Clark news....
03-16-24 02:40 AM - Post#365311
In response to Quakers03
Many here have said that at this level, it's all about winning. Well, winning won't happen in the future without alumni opening their checkbook. We will all need to stop whining and start giving. Who will step up and raise the Penn basketball NIL collective?
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Streamers
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Loc: NW Philadelphia
Reg: 11-21-04
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03-16-24 08:50 AM - Post#365317
In response to Penndemonium
It’s not just Penn. It’s the whole league with more than its share of rich alums that won’t get on the collective train. Coincidence or collusion? DIII here we come.
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Silver Maple
Postdoc
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Loc: Westfield, New Jersey
Reg: 11-23-04
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03-16-24 11:45 AM - Post#365342
In response to Streamers
If I were an Ivy president I'd do everything in my power to prevent alumni starting NIL collectives, up to and including jacking admissions standards WAY up. Collectives will cause the institutions lose too much control over their varsity programs, and that carries significant risk-- risks that really aren't worth taking for an Ivy as there's very little to be gained in return. Now, a president of a major conference university wouldn't care about this all that much, because those schools' varsity programs are already beyond their control, and they're also less concerned about the potential risks in light of the benefits.
And that's the unavoidable calculus-- Penn doesn't have enough to gain as an institution to justify pursuing major sport success, particularly in light of some recent embarrassments, especially with MBB. As a fan I desperately wish this weren't the case, but if I were Penn's president I would reluctantly decide to stick with the status quo. Steve Donahue has run a clean program and hasn't embarrassed the university, and, regrettably, that has to be good enough for the time being. Maybe when his contract is up the university will reconsider.
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Quakers03
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03-16-24 12:10 PM - Post#365356
In response to Silver Maple
A contract that we STILL have no information about. They have made it very clear how they feel about this program and I guess us fans have to now do the same. What a shame.
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Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts: 1900
Reg: 11-29-04
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03-16-24 03:45 PM - Post#365426
In response to Quakers03
Will you open your checkbook? You would get a voice if you do.
Earl, Henderson, and Martin, may be in the running for other coaching jobs. Donahue may move up the league tables.
A contract that we STILL have no information about. They have made it very clear how they feel about this program and I guess us fans have to now do the same. What a shame.
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Quakers03
Professor
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03-16-24 08:33 PM - Post#365471
In response to Penndemonium
Explain to me how that works exactly.
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Quakers03
Professor
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Reg: 12-07-04
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03-16-24 08:51 PM - Post#365474
In response to Quakers03
By the way, the insinuation that we need to pony up even more money to have some fictional “say” is disgusting.
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Streamers
Professor
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Loc: NW Philadelphia
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Re: The DP weighs in AND Clark news....
03-16-24 09:11 PM - Post#365478
In response to Penndemonium
The Penn lacrosse “collective” (we actually bought tickets) was discussing this today. The consensus was that most of the mid majors that can’t or won’t buy top talent will end up in a new NCAA division much like 1AA or FCS in football. More palatable than DIII.
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Penndemonium
PhD Student
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Reg: 11-29-04
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Re: The DP weighs in AND Clark news....
03-17-24 02:18 AM - Post#365499
In response to Quakers03
I don't know what you are disgusted by. That's the new world of athletics. The whole thing is disgusting. I know for a fact that Coach K is meeting with alumni and boosters about this stuff, even though he isn't even the Duke coach anymore. If you put in $10M, you don't get to run the program - but you better believe that you get to bend their ear.
If you think it is disgusting, then join me in not taking this stuff too seriously. It's fine by me if we fire Donahue. It's fine by me if we don't. I'm fine with Donahue starting Holland, and I'm fine that Laz got more time (especially since he was statistically superior). At this point, I only care about the program representing us with great student athletes.
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Jeff2sf
Postdoc
Posts: 4466
Reg: 11-22-04
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03-17-24 02:46 PM - Post#365558
In response to Penndemonium
You take it so not seriously that you invest time watching teenagers play a game (not well) and then post on message boards. You’re being aggressively weird.
Let people be mad. This is garbage. I’m just too apathetic to really call you out on your crud
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Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts: 1900
Reg: 11-29-04
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03-17-24 03:27 PM - Post#365567
In response to Jeff2sf
I was a Penn fan even through the worst of teams. When I was an athlete, I played hoops a few times with some of the players. Penn wasn't very strong then. I was decent friends with an all-ivy player and also a benchwarmer who barely saw the court. They were both simply great guys. The benchwarmer worked his tail off in basketball and his schoolwork. He was a true student athlete. I'm still judgmental from my armchair, but I choose not to be a militant @sshole as an alumni with regards to people I don't even know, as long as the program seems to represent. On the other hand, a former player from the Miller years interviewed at my firm. He said it was dehumanizing playing with Miller. He was someone who had good playing time, so it wasn't a gripe about that. It isn't all about winning. It really isn't. The winning is nice and can be a great positive experience. If winning means so much to you, help the program by giving. That's the path in this new era. If your personal happiness depends so heavily on whether these young kids win or lose, then who is the weird one spewing crud?
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
PhD Student
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03-17-24 08:15 PM - Post#365602
In response to Jeff2sf
You take it so not seriously that you invest time watching teenagers play a game (not well) and then post on message boards. You’re being aggressively weird.
Let people be mad. This is garbage. I’m just too apathetic to really call you out on your crud
Welcome back. We missed you.
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Silver Maple
Postdoc
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03-17-24 08:22 PM - Post#365605
In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
Welcome back. We missed you.
Irony?
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Jeff2sf
Postdoc
Posts: 4466
Reg: 11-22-04
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The DP weighs in AND Clark news....
03-17-24 08:50 PM - Post#365611
In response to Penndemonium
My personal happiness is not derived from this program. That’s why I don’t post. But I would like to enjoy winning again and the happiness that brought me and your aggressive weirdness (not to mention your despicable homophobic jokes) made posting not very fun. Just shut up and let people be mad if they want to be. They’re right. You’re wrong.
Edited by Jeff2sf on 03-17-24 08:51 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts: 1900
Reg: 11-29-04
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Re: The DP weighs in AND Clark news....
03-18-24 02:00 AM - Post#365660
In response to Jeff2sf
I never said a thing about your sexual preferences or anyone else's. You don't need to be defensive about your preferences as long as things you do are legal. Wait... what is it that you do that you are being so defensive about?
Don't be Jessie Smollett on this board. Hate is a serious problem.
You can completely be or identify however you like. Be comfortable with yourself.
It's the amount that you feel a need to compensate with sociopathic behavior that is notable. You must deal with a lot of emptiness. Please seek professional help or talk to loved ones.
My personal happiness is not derived from this program. That’s why I don’t post. But I would like to enjoy winning again and the happiness that brought me and your aggressive weirdness (not to mention your despicable homophobic jokes) made posting not very fun. Just shut up and let people be mad if they want to be. They’re right. You’re wrong.
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Jeff2sf
Postdoc
Posts: 4466
Reg: 11-22-04
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The DP weighs in AND Clark news....
03-18-24 06:35 AM - Post#365663
In response to Penndemonium
Yes this is what I’m talking about. Who the heck responds this way in 2024. What a terrible person you are.
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Penndemonium
PhD Student
Posts: 1900
Reg: 11-29-04
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03-18-24 03:33 PM - Post#365733
In response to Jeff2sf
How vacuous and bare a comment. Fitting.
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