penn nation
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03-18-24 03:34 PM - Post#365735
In response to Quakers03
It's silliness. Penn is getting a record number of applicants these days.
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Quakers03
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03-18-24 03:45 PM - Post#365741
In response to SomeGuy
Curious to see what happens now. Perkins is the biggest undergrad so far, but Harvard has two and Yale has one. That’s already a lot. That’s in addition to all the graduating seniors you’d expect to be there.
If all the star freshman leave the league maybe they’ll wake up and decide to compete? Or we just leave D1. It’s seemingly what they've wanted with football anyway.
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Streamers
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03-18-24 03:56 PM - Post#365742
In response to slane
If you don’t think that there are also other things happening at Penn and in Philly in general that help contribute to this (along with the prospect of receiving tens of thousands of dollars from the major conference programs) you are just naive. Penn could hire Mike Krzyzewski out of retirement and this would still be happening.
If you are implying what I think you are, that's just plain silly.
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Streamers
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03-18-24 04:00 PM - Post#365743
In response to slane
8 high school kids shot at a bus stop in Philly last week. Sorry, but I don’t recall that happening in the past. And the kids themselves described Philly as a “war zone”. Get your head out of your you know where.
All the major crime stats in Philly are down to pre-pandemic levels. You are cherry-picking a couple of related isolated incidents. Penn Athletes do not have any exposure to those neighborhoods unless they want to.
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91Quake
PhD Student
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Reg: 11-22-04
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03-18-24 04:40 PM - Post#365746
In response to Streamers
https://www.thedp.com/article/2024/03/tyler -perkin...
DP take- NOT written by the apologist who penned the Steve MUST stay nonsense.
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penn nation
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03-18-24 04:51 PM - Post#365748
In response to 91Quake
The DP has fallen so far. No comments from any sources inside or outside the Penn program.
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nychoops
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03-18-24 06:59 PM - Post#365779
In response to penn nation
Perkins will NOT get enough NIL
money for that to matter. It's the coaching. Not the area or anything else. If Yoyo or anybody else has any questions please feel free to DM me. I have no idea how anybody still is willing to die on this SD hill
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Quakers03
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Non-Graduating Penn Players in the Portal
03-18-24 07:17 PM - Post#365780
In response to nychoops
You know where I stand but if Mack or Lee or Wolf leave too the problem is much bigger than just Steve. It’s time for the league to make a decision on which way they want to go.
I asked my 13-year-old what’s that worst thing that could happen to Penn. He immediately said “Tyler’s leaving?!” What did I do to that poor kid.
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Old Bear
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03-18-24 07:22 PM - Post#365781
In response to SomeGuy
Who are the Yale and Harvard guys in the portal?
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91Quake
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03-18-24 07:23 PM - Post#365782
In response to Quakers03
This is not a league problem. There can be a league issue in the future (which may not be far off). But this is a Penn problem. This is a Steve problem.
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penn nation
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03-18-24 07:28 PM - Post#365783
In response to 91Quake
I think it's both.
I think the reason why Dingle left both had to do with NIL and a greater platform for himself before trying to make it as a pro at some level. This has to do both with leaguewide issues as well as the limits of the current Penn program specifically.
Martz did not return because, whatever the injury was, he clearly felt it was not worth returning to a program that was losing such a major piece.
Perkins clearly because of the program.
Maybe the Ivies need to rethink the grad transfer rule, that might help to stem the tide a bit.
This is not a league problem. There can be a league issue in the future (which may not be far off). But this is a Penn problem. This is a Steve problem.
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palestra38
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03-18-24 08:12 PM - Post#365786
In response to nychoops
I agree. He's leaving for the reason that he wants to be somewhere else---not for money.
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slane
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03-18-24 08:16 PM - Post#365788
In response to palestra38
Jon,
You are the one injecting p”logic’s into the discussion. The fact is 8 high school kids waiting at a bus stop were shot and the kids characterized Philly as “a war zone”. That’s not propaganda. And while I guess it’s possible, somehow I doubt the kids were “MAGA”. If you haven’t learned it by now, wake up. Perception is often more important and several densely populated cities is not perceived as safe these days with Philly, Memphis, SF, LA and Chicago being among the worst. If you think that’s a plus in recruiting you need to lay off the controlled substances.
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penn nation
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03-18-24 08:24 PM - Post#365789
In response to slane
With all due respect, since I'm a sociologist who teaches this topic, in recent years the crime rate has gone down in most places.
Now, of course, with the media silos that people live in, there are certain outlets which choose to highlight certain items.
You want to know what has really gone up? Mass shootings. It doesn't happen anywhere else in the world. And it didn't start happening in this country until the past 50 years when gun manufacturers flooded our country with all kinds of weapons that no civilian should be allowed to own.
So if you're really concerned about this stuff, you should be joining the rest of us in calling for sensible federal regulations regarding gun ownership.
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TigerFan
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03-18-24 08:27 PM - Post#365790
In response to slane
I don’t know why your program is losing players but FWIW, a realtor friend told me recently that Philly is one of the five hottest rental markets in the country for 20somethings. My 23 year-old recent college grad son just moved there and is thrilled. While nothing makes me happier than seeing the Tigers beat up on the Quackers, I hate to see great players like Dingell and Perkins leave the league.
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weinhauers_ghost
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03-18-24 08:32 PM - Post#365791
In response to TigerFan
I guess it's time to start tracking the portal.
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besnoah
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03-18-24 08:33 PM - Post#365792
In response to Old Bear
Harvard and Yale players in the portal who are not out of Ivy eligibility are depth forwards Matt Filiposwki and Luke Kolaja respectively.
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palestra38
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03-18-24 08:56 PM - Post#365794
In response to slane
Stan, I love you as a brother. You don't need to make up conclusions from anecdotal incidents to conform the horrible collapse of the Penn basketball program to your narrative of breakdown of order in urban areas. It has nothing to do with it. Penn sucks because the people running the program have failed. Crime is way down in Philadelphia except for areas where the ridiculous War on Drugs has caused a Wild West atmosphere surrounding a black market. But in Center City Philadelphia and University City, it has never been safer. And crime has nothing at all to do with Perkins transferring nor our poor recruiting. So let's have our arguments elsewhere, but not here.
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SomeGuy
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03-18-24 09:57 PM - Post#365814
In response to besnoah
And Silverstein for Harvard who didn’t play this year, but was a starter the year before.
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besnoah
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Non-Graduating Penn Players in the Portal
03-18-24 10:12 PM - Post#365819
In response to SomeGuy
I believe he is going to graduate and have two years of eligibility, but 0 years of Ivy eligibility.
Edited by besnoah on 03-18-24 10:12 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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