slane
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03-19-24 11:41 AM - Post#365841
In response to palestra38
I would also suggest that DePaul (with a basketball tradition as rich as Penn’s is suffering a similar fate due to the perception or reality that Chicago also is unsafe.
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palestra38
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03-19-24 11:49 AM - Post#365843
In response to slane
Aside from the fact that Lincoln Park is a very safe Chicago neighborhood, DePaul's last good season was in 2007. So all this time, well before the unrest during the Pandemic, they've sucked because Chicago is unsafe?
Man all those Cubs fans staying away in droves!
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CM
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03-19-24 11:52 AM - Post#365846
In response to slane
Please stop with this nonsense. Remember, Google is free. New Hampshire is the safest state in the country but Dartmouth sucks. Explain that to me.
DePaul applications hit an all time high in 2023. So did Northwestern's for that matter. And yet they're both terrible at basketball.
Somehow LSU won the WBB national champs while their state had the second highest murder rate in the country. Almost like you have no clue what you're talking about.
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penn nation
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03-19-24 11:56 AM - Post#365848
In response to slane
I would also suggest that DePaul (with a basketball tradition as rich as Penn’s is suffering a similar fate due to the perception or reality that Chicago also is unsafe.
That's silly. Loyola is just up the road from DePaul (and located in a somewhat less desirous neighborhood) and their basketball program over the past decade has been exponentially better than in previous decades.
I also have a cousin graduating from DePaul (he is from New Jersey but wanted to be in Chicago for college to follow the Chicago sports scene and to be with his grandparents). He loves it.
Edited by penn nation on 03-19-24 12:00 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Streamers
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03-19-24 01:34 PM - Post#365854
In response to penn nation
I can't believe he is doubling down on this absurdity. Dunphy has amazingly managed to resurrect the LaSalle program in short order. That neighborhood has some real challenges.
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palestra38
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03-19-24 01:40 PM - Post#365856
In response to Streamers
Well, the doubling down means that all of Philadelphia is like Olney. All of Chicago is like Washington Park. All of LA is Skid Row.
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Streamers
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03-19-24 02:36 PM - Post#365858
In response to palestra38
I guess that is the view from Westchester county...
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Mike Porter
Postdoc
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03-19-24 02:40 PM - Post#365859
In response to besnoah
So are the final hold outs ready to accept the reality of the situation here? This is an unmitigated disaster at this point.
Do you think the fact that we are recruiting a load of Juco kids and high school seniors SOOOOOOOOO late in the cycle means that even the coaches themselves think we will be any good next year?
If you've been a reality denier, particularly around recruiting, an area over the last few years several of us have been repeatedly saying Penn's recruiting was not good enough (when I got responses like "but they're system fits" and other nonsense), hopefully you're ready to see where we really are.
You're ONLY argument could have been, "oh but we have two good frosh" and maybe the next year's frosh will be good (I don't follow like I used to, and there are some promising recruits, but it is still a BIG maybe). That is done now.
Have you caught up to where most of us are yet?
It's time for this coaching staff to go, and for the love of all that is holy, Penn admins don't waste another year. Make a move now and maybe relationship with Perkins could be redeemed.
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penn nation
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03-19-24 02:41 PM - Post#365860
In response to Streamers
I hear the same garbage from my (very conservative, white) parents in an inner suburb of Chicago, which is Chicago adjacent.
It's generally the same types of folks across the country who are complaining about this. Long Island has lots of white suburbanites who are now kvetching about "dangerous" Manhattan. They really don't have a clue. I am perfectly comfortable having any of my 3 kids (youngest of whom is 17) going into Manhattan to meet friends using public transit.
Edited by penn nation on 03-19-24 02:41 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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penn nation
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03-19-24 02:42 PM - Post#365861
In response to Streamers
I guess that is the view from Westchester county...
Not from my perch in Westchester.
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Mike Porter
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03-19-24 02:43 PM - Post#365862
In response to penn nation
Guys, we get the points from both sides of the spectrum, but we're here to complain about how far Penn basketball has fallen, not political opinions.
Take those (both sides) to the Off-Topic board, where there is plenty of room for it, thanks.
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penn nation
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03-19-24 02:46 PM - Post#365864
In response to Mike Porter
Look, the day that the news broke about Martz I posted on this board that it was now the end of the line for SD.
Most of us by now I think have gotten to this point.
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Mike Porter
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03-19-24 02:49 PM - Post#365865
In response to penn nation
Yep, I know folks like you and P38 have come around to the reality. I see no possible way to defend the coaching staff any longer, so "most of us" should really be "all of us" at this point.
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Streamers
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03-19-24 05:04 PM - Post#365870
In response to Mike Porter
Guys, we get the points from both sides of the spectrum, but we're here to complain about how far Penn basketball has fallen, not political opinions.
Take those (both sides) to the Off-Topic board, where there is plenty of room for it, thanks.
We've assiduously played by those rules ever since the OTC board went up. We just had one rogue attribute our recruiting issues to a political problem. That had to be answered.
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Streamers
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03-19-24 05:47 PM - Post#365871
In response to Mike Porter
There is a difference between defending the coaching staff and expressing deep skepticism they will be replaced. The only question is whether SD needs to sacrifice someone.
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Tiger81
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03-19-24 06:43 PM - Post#365879
In response to Streamers
Just saw an article in the The Athletic that said that Jordan Obi is in the transfer portal for her senior year. The article speculated that USC may have interest based on the success of Kayla Padilla.
Is that old news?
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Penndemonium
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03-19-24 08:03 PM - Post#365886
In response to Tiger81
Yeah, I acknowledge the reality here.
I did believe our incoming class had potential, and we'd finally be able to have two decent classes to build from. Perkins was a linchpin of that, though.
I suppose he still might choose to stay, but I'm not betting on that. He will get plenty of interest.
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JDP
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03-19-24 08:18 PM - Post#365888
In response to Tiger81
Like Kaitlyn Chen, Jordan completed four years as an Ivy student. We just do not remember year one (the 20-21 season the Ivies did not play) So Obi, like Chen and many other Ivy seniors, will be off for a grad year. Given how well three Ivy grads has worked out for USC, I would not be surprised to see an all ivy all star team again somewhere next year.
Edited by JDP on 03-19-24 08:18 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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