TigerFan
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03-23-24 04:49 PM - Post#366254
Mountaineers -2.5 according to ESPNBET.
Tigers will have to take care of the ball against WVU's ferocious pressure.
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ToothlessTiger
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03-23-24 04:55 PM - Post#366256
In response to TigerFan
Berube's first loss as Tiger skipper was in 2019 in OT at Iowa. The only players who played in that game still playing are Ellie Mitchell and Kate Martin.
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TigerFan
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03-23-24 06:04 PM - Post#366257
In response to ToothlessTiger
Up 14-11 after the first. Ellie hits a shot right at the buzzer but a split second too late to count. Tigers dominating on the glass so far.
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Tiger81
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03-23-24 06:05 PM - Post#366258
In response to ToothlessTiger
Tigers up 14-11 after 1Q, driven as always by their tenancious D
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sparman
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WBB vs. West Virginia
03-23-24 06:22 PM - Post#366259
In response to Tiger81
Good D and excellent rebounding but shooting under 40% is going to hurt you.
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Tiger81
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03-23-24 06:27 PM - Post#366260
In response to sparman
26-24 at the half, missing a lot of good looks, should be up by more
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TigerFan
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03-23-24 06:28 PM - Post#366261
In response to sparman
Up 26-24 at the half. WVU hits a three-pointer right at the buzzer which hurts but the Tigers handling pressure very well and winning the boards 23-12.
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Albert08
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03-23-24 06:37 PM - Post#366262
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Belker 0-3 from 3 and Chea 0-1. Hope they heat up in the second half, along with St. Rose. WVA is beatable, their bigs aren't doing much. We need to keep defending and rebounding and improve the field goal percentage. And make free throws.
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TigerFan
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03-23-24 06:50 PM - Post#366263
In response to Albert08
Mountainers turn up the pressure and the Tigers come apart. WVU scores 12 straight points to go up by 7. Kaitlyn with a couple of terrible turnovers that turn into fast break points. Ouch.
Edited by TigerFan on 03-23-24 06:51 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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sparman
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03-23-24 06:51 PM - Post#366264
In response to Albert08
WVU bringing the heat and we are not responding well.
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Albert08
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03-23-24 06:52 PM - Post#366265
In response to sparman
Yea, getting rattled. I think they need to attack the basket inside, Chen, Chea, Belker, draw fouls.
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Tiger81
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03-23-24 06:53 PM - Post#366266
In response to sparman
Amazing how many times WV pokes the ball without any fouls called.
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sparman
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03-23-24 06:54 PM - Post#366267
In response to Albert08
Bad call on Mitchell. Bad omen.
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sparman
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03-23-24 06:55 PM - Post#366268
In response to Tiger81
Yes but we keeo making high danger passes.
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TigerFan
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03-23-24 06:58 PM - Post#366269
In response to sparman
WV is scrappy as hell and refs letting them be very physical. Ellie gets called on a very dubious pick and has to leave with 3 fouls. Not good.
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TigerFan
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03-23-24 07:00 PM - Post#366270
In response to TigerFan
Tigers had only 5 turnovers in 1st half. Have 9 in the first 5 minutes of the 2nd half.
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Albert08
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03-23-24 07:02 PM - Post#366271
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WVA getting away with lots of hand checking while pressing and harassing.
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Albert08
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03-23-24 07:05 PM - Post#366272
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The TOs keep on coming. Ugh.
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sparman
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03-23-24 07:05 PM - Post#366273
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11 turnovers in juat this quarter. Wow.
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Albert08
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03-23-24 07:08 PM - Post#366274
In response to sparman
We were supposed to be the "third quarter team," but not today.
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sparman
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03-23-24 07:10 PM - Post#366275
In response to sparman
Every mistake that can be made, we are making. I don't think we have ever played a worse quarter under Berube.
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TigerFan
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03-23-24 07:14 PM - Post#366276
In response to sparman
Oooof. 12 turnovers in the 3rd quarter after 5 the entire first half. WVU really turned up the heat. Down 42-33 with 10 minutes to play.
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Tiger81
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03-23-24 07:15 PM - Post#366277
In response to sparman
Yeah, 12 TOs in 10 minutes is ugly.
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TigerFan
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03-23-24 07:28 PM - Post#366278
In response to Tiger81
Tigers showing a little more fire but the WVU pressure is relentless and we're having trouble just getting shots off. Down 8 with 4:20 to play.
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sparman
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03-23-24 07:43 PM - Post#366279
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Well, this will be epic if it happens.
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TigerFan
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03-23-24 08:05 PM - Post#366280
In response to sparman
Terrific season. Tigers just ran into a defensive buzz saw today. The lousy call on Ellie for her third foul didn't help.
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Tiger81
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03-23-24 08:11 PM - Post#366281
In response to sparman
Tough way to end the season. To win a game like this the Tigers needed to shoot better and keep a lid on Quinerly, who was spectacular, and not implode the way they did in 3Q. Princeton actually outscored WV in the other quarters but it was not their day.
Thanks to Kaitlyn, Ellie and Chet, they left a legacy of success and tenacity and I will miss watching them play!
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03-23-24 08:27 PM - Post#366283
In response to Tiger81
Fabulous careers, not sure how we replace them. Will look forward to seeing them play next year. We know the Mitchell family and they are justifiably proud.
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Albert08
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Re: WBB vs. West Virginia
03-23-24 08:37 PM - Post#366285
In response to sparman
After losing Cunningham, Stone and Connolly, I wasn't sure they could fill those shoes and maintain the prior level of success. But Kaitlyn, Ellie and Chet really shone all season and led the newcomers to great success, maybe even better than last season. Kudos to them.
At Ivy Madness I chatted with a Harvard guy who knows (and maybe coached?) Kaitlyn and knows her family. While I'm still guessing she'll play her final year at USC or UCLA, he said she may be leaning toward playing her final year at Stanford, having to do with her choice of medical school - though I imagine it would be difficult to do a first year of med school while playing basketball in the ACC. Maybe some more pre-med courses. We'll see.
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1LotteryPick1969
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Re: WBB vs. West Virginia
03-23-24 10:56 PM - Post#366288
In response to sparman
We know the Mitchell family and they are justifiably proud.
From the mean streets of Chevy Chase 
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ToothlessTiger
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Re: WBB vs. West Virginia
03-24-24 10:34 AM - Post#366295
In response to sparman
Tough to replace for sure. Carla lost Alarie when she was POY and won Ivy title the next year. She lost Meyers when she was POY and won the title the next year when Chen was POY. So it can be done. Scoring will not be a problem next year but rebounding and defense may be. I have total faith in Carla.
Don't quite see the point in the "mean streets " comment.
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sparman
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Re: WBB vs. West Virginia
03-24-24 11:29 AM - Post#366303
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
From the mean streets of Chevy Chase
Don't quite see the point in the "mean streets " comment.
All in good fun.
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1LotteryPick1969
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Re: WBB vs. West Virginia
03-24-24 11:43 AM - Post#366304
In response to sparman
From the mean streets of Chevy Chase
As anyone who plays competitive club tennis will readily attest.....
Don't quite see the point in the "mean streets " comment.
All in good fun.
Exactly. And, I'm from the other side of the tracks in PG county.
I guess ultimately the humor is that she is such a relentless rebounder, which is contrary to Coach Carril's theory on rebounding and number of garages.
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1LotteryPick1969
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03-24-24 11:50 AM - Post#366305
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Terrific season. Tigers just ran into a defensive buzz saw today. The lousy call on Ellie for her third foul didn't help.
We had no answer for the high pick for Quinerly. I did not see the entire game, but in the portions I watched, we never doubled her off the pick. She just went one on one down the right side of the lane.
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Tiger69
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03-24-24 05:14 PM - Post#366322
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Tough end to a great season. As long as we can get Carla to stick around things will continue to improve.
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JDP
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03-24-24 06:15 PM - Post#366325
In response to Tiger69
Hi Tiger69,
I suspect you have little cause of worry - especially with a high quality coach that spent 17 years at a D3 school. The Princeton job (men's and women's) is a very good job. Perhaps it does not pay as well as a Power 5 school, but I think it is one many mid major coaches and Power 5 assistant coaches and even some Power 5 head coaches would desire.
What do Tiger fans think - over the last five seasons is there a material difference in the success of the Princeton or UNC programs. The Tar Heals have 5 NCAA wins (1 sweet 16) vs. 2 for the Tigers. Perhaps more money, a better schedule, no academic index, and NIL vs. need based aid - but are the NCAA NET achievements that different? Princeton was a 34 this year, UNC was 37.
What are the upgrade schools for Carla - UConn for sure, perhaps Stanford when Tara VanDerveer retires (to reconnect with Henderson I suspect if Carla's upgrade schools go in different directions, and if Berube believes she has maxed out the potential of the Princeton program, then any competitive coach would look for a place with a higher upside and a large retirement nest egg. But even then not likely, and likely that larger list is less than 20 schools.
Do you have a different view / worry. I expect Berube will be around for a longtime (ex UConn move). I am still waiting for Amaker, Henderson & Jones to leave for greener pastures.
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sparman
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Re: WBB vs. West Virginia
03-24-24 08:48 PM - Post#366328
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Mitchell went to a Catholic school (Visitation, which has sent several others PU's way). While the socioeconomic traits can vary, I always thought Catholic leagues generally tend to produce the kind of player Carril sought. For example, probably the best HS league in the country is the WCAC in the DMV (which includes traditional powers DeMatha, Gonzaga, and St. Johns, but actually the No.1 team in Post rankings is lesser known Paul VI).
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SecS3
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03-25-24 12:47 PM - Post#366411
In response to JDP
One big advantage UNC has in having more wins and a sweet 16 is that they obviously get better seeds. That and Carlie was their PG when they went to the sweet 16. 
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Albert08
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03-25-24 09:05 PM - Post#366448
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Wow, the halftime score of the Iowa-West Virginia game is exactly the same as it was in the Princeton-West Virginia - WVA trailing by 2, 26-24. The third quarter was a disaster for us, Iowa had better be prepared for this third quarter, or they may actually get sent packing early.
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penn nation
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03-25-24 09:07 PM - Post#366450
In response to Albert08
Very little scoring tonight in the 2nd quarter.
Iowa being somewhat careless with their passes.
It has been a very physical game--refs have let them play for the most part.
Edited by penn nation on 03-25-24 09:08 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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penn nation
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Re: WBB vs. West Virginia
03-25-24 10:29 PM - Post#366458
In response to penn nation
3rd quarter was fine, first 4-5 minutes of the 4th quarter were almost their undoing.
Extremely physical. Had the game gone another minute or so, probably 5 different WV players would have ended up fouling out.
I don't think there were any Iowa transition baskets. Game was completely played at WV's pace. Stuelke still seems like she's ill (she missed the previous game), got her points but was not a particularly effective scorer inside. Otherwise Clark would have been in double digits for assists once again.
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Albert08
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Re: WBB vs. West Virginia
03-25-24 10:49 PM - Post#366459
In response to penn nation
As a Princeton fan I will admit it's probably sour grapes, but WVA was badly underseeded as a #8 seed, should have been a 5 or 6 seed. They're very good.
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penn nation
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Re: WBB vs. West Virginia
03-25-24 11:01 PM - Post#366460
In response to Albert08
I didn't see the Princeton game, but Iowa was basically giving WV open three point shots all game long. WV made enough of them in key spots to stay in this one.
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sparman
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Re: WBB vs. West Virginia
03-26-24 10:22 AM - Post#366477
In response to Albert08
My thought watching the game, as well.
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SecS3
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Re: WBB vs. West Virginia
03-26-24 02:20 PM - Post#366527
In response to sparman
It's also what can happen when Caitlin Clark is just a really good player and not Superwoman.
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penn nation
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Re: WBB vs. West Virginia
03-26-24 02:31 PM - Post#366529
In response to SecS3
It's also what can happen when Caitlin Clark is just a really good player and not Superwoman.
She had a typical Clark game (which is Superwoman quality) except for the assist category but, as mentioned, Stuelke wasn't particularly strong at converting excellent passes from Clark that she received down low. She did get to the line a bunch of times, but this was not reflected in the Clark stats.
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