JDP
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03-29-24 04:52 PM - Post#366691
Not good for Ivy Basketball
https://twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/17 738139821...
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penn nation
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Re: Wolf in the Portal
03-29-24 05:04 PM - Post#366692
In response to JDP
Quite a difference, this late Friday afternoon from last Friday at this time.
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iogyhufi
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Re: Wolf in the Portal
03-29-24 05:25 PM - Post#366694
In response to penn nation
Yep, that's a tough one. Hopefully this gets some rears in gear NIL-wise.
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james
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03-29-24 05:33 PM - Post#366695
In response to iogyhufi
i guess we will be small next year even if samson stays.
too bad. wouldve been an epic frontcourt!
no surprise. just bummed
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james
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03-29-24 05:34 PM - Post#366696
In response to james
no rears are in gear as i have reported.
just reality.
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james
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03-29-24 05:42 PM - Post#366698
In response to james
i am going to sign off.
i posted too much info anyway.
and frankly no one cares or listens anyway.
wolf will make more than my son
who will make more than me next year.
disruption. its a shame. and for reasons i cited and others genuinely dug into on financial aid.
we arent doing anything. no momentum.
could it change? of course. but i am not optimistic
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mobrien
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03-29-24 06:04 PM - Post#366701
In response to james
https://x.com/travisbranham_/status /17738173225593...
Just crazy levels of tampering going on
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umbrellaman
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Wolf in the Portal
03-29-24 06:21 PM - Post#366702
In response to james
People will make their choices I suppose. Are these NIL contracts guaranteed against an ACL tear? I am also reminded of what a Brown alum (played 106 games, maxed 8.4 PPG as a junior) said at halftime of the Princeton game as to what he was up to - finishing his fifteenth year at Goldman.
Edited by umbrellaman on 03-29-24 06:22 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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james
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03-29-24 06:32 PM - Post#366703
In response to mobrien
yep. of course. see that pearl interview from last week.
he had a show cause and discussed it.
here are the limitations for yale for thise interested and then i will be quiet for a long while bc its depressing anywat
in no order
1. bball kids of recent vintage who are high major dont really use the degree to a maximum. so why not maximize bball outcomes and how do you stop that. its cultural and its financial
2. fin aid tax issues are a barrier to a collective moving the needle. we are talking abt big money for wolfs (and maybe etc unfortunately)
3. small sample of $ alums just dont believe in it and think its a recurring issue and just expensive
our bball community of givers isnt that expansive so weight falls on fewer who are not confident in outcomes for yale and the ivy league and while dismayed arent going to be proactive
as an aside as i have written on various team board the sec football nil (which set the standard)--- has massive numbers of small donors and businesses
hard to compete with that given above
and as noted by others in various ways and part and parcel to above ---need scholarships anyway
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james
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Re: Wolf in the Portal
03-29-24 06:37 PM - Post#366705
In response to umbrellaman
and good insight from you "mobrien" earlier
you were ahead of it.
georgetown has to be up there u'd think
nil agent commission will be nice
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james
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Re: Wolf in the Portal
03-29-24 06:41 PM - Post#366708
In response to umbrellaman
not all are the same but theoretically. some are pushing back bc they dont get whats promised. but UT AU UGA FSU battles end. very credible and tight feedback loops mean the imposters get found out fast.
they are annual deals like a scholarship
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1LotteryPick1969
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03-29-24 06:42 PM - Post#366709
In response to james
wolf will make more than my son
who will make more than me next year.
Hard to fathom.
And I have appreciated your insights (except those regarding MH as a player  )
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james
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 03-29-24 06:51 PM - Post#366712
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
he was a great player and is a great coach
full adult respect.
i am sad for the implications and all ivy fans.
wonder when and where it bottoms.
my best to all. was super fun
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jeromelh
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04-03-24 07:20 PM - Post#366929
In response to james
According to On3.com, Wolf has committed to Michigan State University
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jeromelh
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04-03-24 07:20 PM - Post#366930
In response to jeromelh
Michigan, not Michigan State
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SRP
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04-04-24 03:23 PM - Post#366991
In response to jeromelh
The Dusty May experience. His FAU teams played really hard and together. I wasn’t always impressed by their judgment under stress, but Wolf will be a much better passer than any big the Owls had.
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james
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04-20-24 02:23 PM - Post#367623
In response to SRP
Wolf to Michigan is official.
In other news the trend is accelerating league wide including at Princeton.
But mostly crickets on my prophecies last fall.
Was speaking to a friend on fsu's staff. They have 2 players now.
FedEx giving 25mm to nil at Memphis for multiple sports but mostly bball and football.
If I didn't have 2 sons playing d1 next few yrs I wld quit being a fan.
But i have no choice
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james
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04-20-24 02:26 PM - Post#367624
In response to james
for Yale's sake I hope the roster is stable as of now for next year.
If so they will be good in this league.
But you can't compete nationally with all the ivy disadvs unless you are older than the comp.
That game is over. I hope aletan blows up next year. But if so he likely leaves etc etc
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SomeGuy
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04-20-24 03:34 PM - Post#367628
In response to james
While the league loses a bunch of good players to the portal, more are staying than leaving. So hopefully Aletan would stick around, like Poulakidas and Mbeng, etc. But it is definitely scary.
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SRP
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04-20-24 09:22 PM - Post#367634
In response to SomeGuy
It is alarming when the likes of FSU, with big-time sports ambitions, have to go prowling the portal to build their entire roster.
The part I can’t figure out is how the numbers add up across D1 P6. If they are all raiding the mid-majors and low majors, what happens to all the guys who leave before graduating? Are they moving back to mids?
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palestra38
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04-20-24 09:53 PM - Post#367635
In response to SRP
Ivy players aren't transferring to FSU.
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SomeGuy
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04-20-24 10:50 PM - Post#367637
In response to SRP
They may be bringing in fewer freshmen. So the D1 P6 builds their rosters through transfers, and more of the incoming freshmen go to mids. No idea if that is empirically true, but it would explain who’s the numbers add up.
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james
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04-21-24 01:02 AM - Post#367640
In response to SomeGuy
I cld write a book on fsu. To see extent understanding their plight was the catalyst to understanding the whole mosaic reshaping college sports.
Context- I grew up in Tally, my dad played football there and was a lifetime golden chief and through the execution of his will we are involved in the battles end, a top 5 NIL org which funds the football program.
I do know two Dartmouth and one Harvard kid who have grad transferred to fsu for football in last 3 yrs. They recruited 3 yale kids who opted for south Carolina and Tenn instead.
On samson-
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james
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04-21-24 01:09 AM - Post#367641
In response to james
I am hopeful you are correct.
He only went to Yale to honor his late father who as a Nigerian immigrant became a compu sci prof at a small Texas school.
Samson blew up late as a recruit-everyone who saw him the summer bf his senior year wanted him-texas Baylor tcu houston etc.
But he went to yale bc he was sold on the education and his father's wishes.
His primary recruiter is now at BU. I think he will blow up and wld be a Fool not to consider the money.
The thing in Yale's favor- his late father's vision and he is an old school 5 not a wolf type in an era where schools can buy a 24 yr old to do what he does well.
But I think he will be better than wolf on multiple fronts. He is the biggest most athletic kid at the 5 that Yale has had since Chris dudley
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james
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04-21-24 01:11 AM - Post#367642
In response to james
Congrats to Matt knowling going to usc! Nice outcome for him
The head was chopped off the IL talent but my god did we have some ballers. Everyone wants the top tier
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palestra38
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04-21-24 07:45 AM - Post#367644
In response to james
Sorry, I thought we were talking basketball.
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1LotteryPick1969
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04-21-24 09:01 AM - Post#367646
In response to james
Context- I grew up in Tally, my dad played football there and was a lifetime golden chief and through the execution of his will we are involved in the battles end, a top 5 NIL org which funds the football program. I do know two Dartmouth and one Harvard kid who have grad transferred to fsu for football in last 3 yrs. They recruited 3 yale kids who opted for south Carolina and Tenn instead.
Interesting perspective. Are the collectives allowed to contact a player at another school before he even expresses interest in transferring???
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TigerFan
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04-21-24 11:03 AM - Post#367653
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
I find it hard to believe that players aren’t being contacted by other schools (or boosters) before entering the portal. Would we call this “recruiting?”
I also wonder about the conversations players have with their existing coaches. Did the 4 Princeton players who jumped meet with Mitch beforehand to ask him where they stood with him next year? Puts a different spin on Mitch’s comment after the season ending loss that he’d be talking with the players about goals for next year.
By the way, Duke has now lost 7 players to the portal.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/ne ws/...
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james
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04-22-24 07:33 AM - Post#367670
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
its as dirty as you can imagine. there are no rules! we all know how dirty the recruiting game was when there are rules.
as for football vs basketball... the case study that foreshadowed portal chaos started in football. this is where the revenue is primarily where the collectives were birthed first and obviously it is driving conference realignment.
so ignoring machinations within the football apparatus would be like investing in retail stocks but not understanding amazons disruptive business model
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james
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04-22-24 07:37 AM - Post#367671
In response to james
james jones admitted in an interview w field of 68 that wolf had nil offers. that was in february
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iogyhufi
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04-22-24 10:23 AM - Post#367676
In response to james
For what it's worth, I've heard that Danny Wolf grew up a huge Michigan fan, and that he was considering walking on there as a freshman vs. going to Yale. So it's kind of hard to blame him for wanting to go there now that they want him as a centerpiece (plus it might help allay some of the the-sky-is-falling concerns a bit).
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1LotteryPick1969
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04-22-24 11:00 AM - Post#367681
In response to iogyhufi
Thanks.
He is going in with a new head coach and coaching staff, but I assume he is comfortable with that.
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palestra38
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04-26-24 01:12 PM - Post#367784
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Does anyone else seeing this thread keep thinking it's a helluva title for a novel?
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TigerFan
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04-29-24 01:54 PM - Post#367896
In response to palestra38
This can’t help Wolf’s playing time next year: Florida Atlantic big follows coach to Michigan. https://x.com/wojespn/status/178494 3775904833792?s...
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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04-29-24 03:32 PM - Post#367899
In response to palestra38
Does anyone else seeing this thread keep thinking it's a helluva title for a novel?
I was thinking a song parody.
And the Wolf’s in the portal Yale, yes it's true
Big man gonna wear maize and blue
When you coming home, Dan, he don’t know when
But he’ll dunk you on your head, yeah
You know he’ll have a good time then…
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james
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04-29-24 10:17 PM - Post#367901
In response to TigerFan
my guess is you have to put danny at the 4 anyway given how limited his post game is
how do you defend the spread with 2 7 footers on the floor at the same yime is a ?
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weinhauers_ghost
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04-30-24 12:55 AM - Post#367903
In response to james
my guess is you have to put danny at the 4 anyway given how limited his post game is
how do you defend the spread with 2 7 footers on the floor at the same yime is a ?
I could see how that might be a serious matchup problem, even for Big 10 teams. Let's wait to see who ends up running the point for that team, though.
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PennFan10
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04-30-24 09:05 AM - Post#367904
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Obviously those two would create matchup problems on the offensive end. Most college coaches are more worried about who the two seven footers are gonna defend on the other end. It's not a zero sum game. You can't score 80 and give up 90.
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1LotteryPick1969
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04-30-24 10:52 AM - Post#367905
In response to PennFan10
Princeton was able to handle two 7 footers (well, 6'11 and 7) in the NCAA tournament when they played Arizona.
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SRP
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05-01-24 07:46 PM - Post#367978
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
The FAU transfer can take the post-defense/rim-protecto r duties off Wolf’s hands. And he’s more back-to-the-basket than Wolf offensively. Looks like a good complementary fit to me.
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05-01-24 08:38 PM - Post#367980
In response to SRP
At FAU Goldin only played 25 MPG. There are enough minutes for both of them to play separately, and together.
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james
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05-01-24 10:32 PM - Post#367985
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
as noted clearly they paid for dannys strengths and will likely not make him an old school 5
this being said iif he can gain any lift and rim finishing ability while at um the kid has quite a ceiling.
he ate the ball too much at year end but he also showed his perimeter quickness to the rim against broome etc
tough loss. but samson will likely blow up this year amd tear a rim off
what a frontcourt that wouldve been. oh well
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james
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05-01-24 10:36 PM - Post#367987
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
we go from wolf/samson to samson.
next man up. have little size otherwise but samson will likely blow up. we go from layups to rim runs
need a freshman shooter to step up. my guess is mullen and samson make big jumps
is it enough? who knows
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penn nation
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05-01-24 10:38 PM - Post#367988
In response to james
we go from wolf/samson to samson.
And then maybe from Samson to...Samsonite?
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james
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05-01-24 10:45 PM - Post#367990
In response to penn nation
did the portal close?
if so
need simmons to find a jump shot
samson to blow up
mullen to be a shotmaker
bez to hit a 3
molloy to resurface
townsend to grow but stay a beast
poulkidas to shoot like he did against auburn
and one of brathwaite fox or celiscar to show some range
then we are competitive
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