SteveChop
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04-09-24 10:13 AM - Post#367147
From the Harvard Crimson
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024/4/8/mcde rm...
Since the League is beholden to the HYPr "evil" axis, looks like there will not be a lot of progress on this front in the near future
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penn nation
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Re: NILs at Harvard - NO says the AD 04-09-24 10:17 AM - Post#367148
In response to SteveChop
Why the quotation marks?
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Tiger69
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Re: NILs at Harvard - NO says the AD 04-09-24 11:41 AM - Post#367152
In response to penn nation
The Ivies are fine without NILs. It doesn’t need athletes hitchhiking from college to college for the highest bidder. Ivies are for students first. Athletics are still extracurricular. One and dones need not apply if they don’t plan to stick around and do not recognize the value of a four year Ivy degree. I can’t get excited about a final 4 team with its top SEVEN players arriving via the portal (NC State).
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palestra38
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Re: NILs at Harvard - NO says the AD 04-09-24 11:47 AM - Post#367153
In response to Tiger69
I agree. But there should be athletic scholarships. That way, NILs (no collective necessary) don't go to the schools. The Ivies won't have that many players who qualify for Dingle sized NIL payments. But right now, if the Ivies don't make themselves at least competitive with mid-major programs, there will be a major loss of talent in the League over the next few years.
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SRP
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04-10-24 02:17 AM - Post#367183
In response to palestra38
The alarming aspect of the article is how clueless she sounds by harping on “recruits.” That isn’t the problem; the problem is good student-athletes transferring away prior to graduation.
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CM
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Re: NILs at Harvard - NO says the AD 04-10-24 07:02 AM - Post#367186
In response to Tiger69
Make the Ivys D3 already. This has been coming for a while.
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yoyo
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04-10-24 02:27 PM - Post#367223
In response to CM
Or leave the league
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palestra38
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04-10-24 02:37 PM - Post#367227
In response to yoyo
That isn't happening.
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Penndemonium
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04-10-24 03:25 PM - Post#367231
In response to CM
Most of the Ivies have plenty of resources. Enough endowment to make permanent funding of scholarships and NIL possible. That said, I would prefer the endowment be used for advancing Penn towards the tuition policies of HYPr. Upper echelon education is still not as accessible, equitable, and class-mobility-enabling as it could or should be. I don't have a DEI agenda, but this can impact broader society in positive ways. Even better would be if the schools used the endowments to expand enrollment to keep pace with demographics.
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CM
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04-11-24 08:48 AM - Post#367258
In response to Penndemonium
Talk about bulletin board material. You can count on this ridiculous article being shown to any potential Harvard recruit by coaches from the other schools they're looking at. The arrogance on display is nuts.
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Tiger69
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04-11-24 10:23 AM - Post#367265
In response to Penndemonium
Thank you, Penndomonium. Couldn’t be said any better.
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dperry
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05-05-24 10:12 PM - Post#368158
In response to Tiger69
In fairness, she doesn't reject the idea of a collective, she simply has no interest in encouraging people to get one together. The bigger news, however, is that the other article linked from this one indicates that the alums don't have much interest in getting one together. I find this particularly interesting for Harvard, given that the effort was made to get Amaker hired. Perhaps the lack of interest shown by the school in building on that move has discouraged people.
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CM
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05-06-24 06:52 AM - Post#368161
In response to dperry
Exactly your last point. If the AD/administration is this out front in their ambivalence, bordering on scorn, for the very concept of NIL and how it could help Harvard athletics, one can only imagine what's happening behind the scenes. I'd always imagined if an Ivy was going to go all in on NIL it would have been Harvard, but that is clearly not going to happen.
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