yoyo
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04-17-24 11:05 AM - Post#367513
In response to palestra38
It won't matter. At this rate the ivies will not be division one much longer
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yoyo
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04-17-24 11:10 AM - Post#367514
In response to yoyo
Interesting Perkins chose villanova for the meal plan
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/do es-tyler-...
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mobrien
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04-17-24 11:33 AM - Post#367520
In response to yoyo
Perkins lit up Nova when you guys beat Nova, and now he plays for Nova.
Pretty good example of why there's an enormous disincentive for mid-majors to play Power Six schools now. That's just when your players get scouted, and the tampering begins.
Great system we have here.
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palestra38
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04-17-24 11:39 AM - Post#367521
In response to mobrien
Only way to make money, though....
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SomeGuy
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04-17-24 11:48 AM - Post#367522
In response to palestra38
Man, Brown just had a second undergrad starter enter the portal. I guess it makes me feel slightly better that it isn’t just a Steve problem. But this is tough. Brown had such a fun run, and it seemed like things were looking good for a real run next year. And then they lose Nana and Anya. I don’t know if the league is going to get worse next year or not, but it certainly is going to be different.
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Quakers03
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04-17-24 12:07 PM - Post#367524
In response to SteveChop
Fortunately, I haven’t died yet but as one who was at that 1971 game, I’ve never forgiven them either (and don’t plan to).
Do you have any memory of Nova heading from the airport straight to the Palestra to celebrate before coming home? That’s one I’ve been told too.
The Perkins acknowledgment just shows how fast we are sinking. I’ll never understand why the league wont acknowledge the benefits of good athletics. There is such little downside.
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palestra38
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04-17-24 12:25 PM - Post#367527
In response to Quakers03
It's risk and reward. The Ivies don't need athletics. More people are applying than ever, notwithstanding the cost, the endowments are huge and in the case of Penn, it may be the most profitable university in the country, holding a sizeable piece of the mRNA vaccine intellectual property (and royalties--over $1 billion a year the last 3 years) as well as Wharton money. What is Penn going to make from basketball, even with more of an investment? The current student body is nothing like it was in the Penn basketball heyday and doesn't care about sports. Unlike a school like Villanova, Penn doesn't need to attract students through successful sports teams. So it just isn't going to make the effort. If we lose our best players, oh well. Let's recruit some more.
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Penndemonium
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04-17-24 12:55 PM - Post#367531
In response to palestra38
I've recently visited some Div. 2/3 schools, and I have to say that the atmosphere is plenty good for the student-athletes (aside from the major revenue sports). For student-athletes in most sports, it isn't even such a step down. A tennis player at upper Div. 2/3 gets as many fans in the stands as a player at Penn, for example. It may not represent the same level of competition on average, though some of them are very good. The rest of the experience is probably unchanged. I clearly have a soft spot for basketball. Football teams are just too large for me to want to passionately support their scholarships and NIL.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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04-17-24 02:51 PM - Post#367540
In response to Penndemonium
Admission is now so competitive that the system doesn't 'reward' spectating. Excelling at anything - especially on a national level which is what admissions is looking for - takes so much time, in addition to top academic performance.
Seems student spectators at Ivy events are there to support their friends. I'd venture that - except for a rare contest (The Game, ECAC Hockey tournament) that a large percentage of students don't attend any athletic events unless they have a personal connection. That's certainly true at Harvard, maybe Penn/Princeton basketball, Cornell hockey and Dartmouth football are holdouts, but for how long if we lost our talent?
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borschtbelt
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04-17-24 04:39 PM - Post#367549
In response to SteveChop
Two aggravating side notes--they know Porter was ineligible and did not care; at the time they had the most losses of any team ever in the NCAA and would not have made it had Ernie DiGregorio not missed a one and one in the field house early in the season--a 90% foul shooter.
Also--on the way home Steve Chop stopped at a restaurant in Richmond. Eight years later on 3/23/79 my rehearsal dinner was there. We know what happened the day after (besides my wedding).
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SteveChop
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04-17-24 09:13 PM - Post#367552
In response to Quakers03
Can’t respond re any Palestra celebration. I was in a car driving home so they would have been long gone by the time I got back to Philadelphia. Never heard that before.
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