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11-24-04 02:57 AM - Post#187
Would you believe the turning point was Zoller's excuse me 3 off the backboard? That was when the big run started. All of the sudden all of the shots were falling. Four straight 3's by Begley was awesome.
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Anonymous
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Re: A confidence builder
11-24-04 03:12 AM - Post#188
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Actually the big run started when Penn started running.
25-20 Drexel with 3:50 to go in the first half, Penn goes on 13-0 to end the half, scoring 11 points in the final 2:20.
The Quakers then opened the second half with a 27-8 run over the first 9:44. That's a 40-8 run in 12:04. That ain't the set offense talking. That was pushing the ball, quick, open threes for Begley, Danley running the court for layups, Ibby getting in the lane, etc. A depleted Dexel team (hurt by an injury and foul trouble and playing its first game) was not able to keep up.
The only drawbacks were that the set offense still struggled and Fran again would not clear the bench. Up 27 with 10:16 to go, 28 with 7:32 and 26 with 3:48 to go, Begley, Ibby, Zoller and Danley were still out there with 2:17 to go (when they were replaced by Fikiel, Ebede and Pettinella). Whitehurst, Gill and Majette didn't get in until the the final 45 seconds, up 31. Shockingly, they were able to hold the lead.
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Anonymous
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Re: A confidence builder
11-24-04 03:24 AM - Post#189
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Howard, you've got that right...finally pushed the ball u court. Seemed like a few of the guys just decided they were going to play the game the way they thought would give them a chance to win and not worry too much about Dunphy's reaction.
I can't explain the sub thing...if a 28 point lead with less than 8:00 to go isn't time to let some other kids play...when is????? Ibby looked like he finally broke out of being Dunphyized.
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The Willow
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Re: A confidence builder
11-24-04 04:08 AM - Post#190
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I dunno, I was worried about Ibby for the first part of that game- it looked like he was deke-ing himself out of his shoes.
I also don't get what the deal was with Dunph waiting so long to sub- I feel like when our starters are in when we're up by so much they get cocky and sloppy.
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Anonymous
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Re: A confidence builder
11-24-04 04:24 AM - Post#191
In response to The Willow
Not sure they get cocky but they definitely get sloppy. And when Fikiel, Ebede and Pettinella got put back in up 27 with two minutes to go they were already mentally back in the locker room.
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wired
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Re: A confidence builder
11-24-04 04:38 AM - Post#192
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Judging from the play-by-play posted with the box score on pennathletics.com, Penn had more rebounds (26) in the second half than Drexel did points (25).
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Anonymous
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Re: A confidence builder
11-24-04 04:54 AM - Post#193
In response to wired
I believe that. Drexel missed 40 shots from the field and a bunch from the line. There were many boards for the taking.
For the most part, Penn's D was solid but the Dragons did look like a team playing their first game. And they shot the ball like Penn did against Wisconsin.
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SomeGuy
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Re: A confidence builder
11-24-04 05:37 AM - Post#194
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I'm not all that troubled by Dunphy's failure to empty the bench. Among the 8 guys in the rotation, I think everybody but Begley needed a confidence boost, and 2 of the guys who needed it most were Ibby and Oz. This team needs to play together and find its identity. I agree that the depth could come into play later, but hopefully we'll have other chances to get them some run. Let's get the ship righted with the guys who will be playing most of the time first. Tonight was a great start. That makes 2 pleasant surprises and 2 devastating disappointments in 4 games. I'll just take a win next week against Bucknell.
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Anonymous
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Re: A confidence builder
11-24-04 10:00 AM - Post#195
In response to SomeGuy
This was a game that we needed but where is Franklin ? Is he hurt or just not good enough to get any playing time?
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AsiaSunset
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Re: A confidence builder
11-24-04 10:14 AM - Post#196
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Certainly a good win. On the Internet it sounded like the inverse of the Prov and Wisc games although even during the rough start we seemed to be rebounding well.
Drexel is an undersized team that suffered through the type of nightmare shooting that plagued us the past two games. We still haven't had a "normal game" but it's nicer to win these than lose them.
Howard - Sounded like we were a little sloppy with the ball. Good shooting masks a lot of other problems. If we were losing it in transition that's one thing. It sounded like we threw it away quite a bit in the half court set.
Don't want to get overly critical in a 31 point win, but taking care of the ball needs to be a priority.
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palestra38
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Re: A confidence builder
11-24-04 10:47 AM - Post#197
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I heard that Franklin is redshirting this year....I do not know of the injury involved....anyone care to confirm this?
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SFlaQuaker
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Re: A confidence builder
11-24-04 10:50 AM - Post#198
In response to AsiaSunset
Aparently Franklin is red-shirting this year (they may not be calling it a redshirt but thats basically what it is) so he'll have two more years of eligibility left.
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Mike Porter
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Re: A confidence builder
11-24-04 07:10 PM - Post#199
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I could not agree with you more Howard. It was painfully obvious early on last night that this team does not have the outside shooting necessary to run the set half court offense very successfully. That lack of shooting enabled the defense to collapse in on the post, which more often than not ended in a turnover from one of our big guys.
It was not until Zoller was inserted that a spark was lit, and the guys really started pushing the ball up the court. This resulted in easy looks for our guys on both the inside and the outside. I love it when Begley trails the break and gets that wide open look from 3 at the top of the key. I think 3 of his long distance shots came in that fashion.
When Penn started pushing the ball and taking the early good looks at the basket, good things happened. I think this could be even more effective if Fran could have gotten the bench more involved. I only hope Fran realizes this as well...
-Mike
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Actually the big run started when Penn started running.
25-20 Drexel with 3:50 to go in the first half, Penn goes on 13-0 to end the half, scoring 11 points in the final 2:20.
The Quakers then opened the second half with a 27-8 run over the first 9:44. That's a 40-8 run in 12:04. That ain't the set offense talking. That was pushing the ball, quick, open threes for Begley, Danley running the court for layups, Ibby getting in the lane, etc. A depleted Dexel team (hurt by an injury and foul trouble and playing its first game) was not able to keep up.
The only drawbacks were that the set offense still struggled and Fran again would not clear the bench. Up 27 with 10:16 to go, 28 with 7:32 and 26 with 3:48 to go, Begley, Ibby, Zoller and Danley were still out there with 2:17 to go (when they were replaced by Fikiel, Ebede and Pettinella). Whitehurst, Gill and Majette didn't get in until the the final 45 seconds, up 31. Shockingly, they were able to hold the lead.
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Anonymous
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Wanna bet?
11-24-04 08:28 PM - Post#200
In response to Mike Porter
Quote:
When Penn started pushing the ball and taking the early good looks at the basket, good things happened. I think this could be even more effective if Fran could have gotten the bench more involved. I only hope Fran realizes this as well...
Fran will try to bang a square peg into a round hole until it's sawdust. Once Zoller got in last night the guys stopped paying attention to what Dunphy 'wanted' and started playing in a way that actually gave them a chance of winning.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Wanna bet?
11-25-04 01:38 AM - Post#201
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I wouldn't be too tough on Dunphy about this -- he didn't exactly discourage it in his postgame comments. He gave the guys all the credit, and readily acknowledged that pushing it worked.
I only have one concern about pushing it and taking the first open look we see, and I can summarize it in two words: Lamar Plummer.
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Chip Bayers
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Re: Wanna bet?
11-25-04 02:37 AM - Post#202
In response to SomeGuy
But that was due primarily to Plummer and Klatsky's defensive problems when early shots went up without rebounders in position. The two of them were too small to contest the long rebounds off Lamar's misses, a liability that also prevented them from contesting shots in transition after the other team broke off the long ones. Plus they weren't quick enough laterally to stop the ball on the dribble, either. It was a weak defense trifecta, squared!
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