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Username Post: 05-06 basketball budgets released...        (Topic#4928)
ericatbucknell 
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01-24-07 07:45 PM - Post#28223    

data: http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/search.asp

note: make comparisons between programs with caution; schools report their own numbers and therefore administrative expenses included in one schools budget may not be included in anothers.

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04-05 05-06 Change
American 1201727 1329100 10.6%
Army 675070 675070 0.0%
Bucknell 937598 1357807 44.8%
Colgate 783373 1030107 31.5%
Holy Cross 1395504 1402886 0.5%
Lafayette 839244 836140 -0.4%
Lehigh 882875 870553 -1.4%
Navy -- --
6715391 7501663 11.7%



nice to see big improvments in spending by american, bucknell and colgate, though most of colgates increased spending is appears to be scholarship-related.
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Bison137 
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Re: 05-06 basketball budgets released...
01-24-07 07:51 PM - Post#28224    
    In response to ericatbucknell

1. Like Colgate, wouldn't much of our increase be scholarship-related as well, since we added another class of scholarship players?

2. I'm skeptical of the Lehigh number. I thought they added another full year of scholarship players in 05-06 as well, yet their expenditures actually went down. Also their number is much lower than HC and BU. I don't really believe there is that big a difference. I think your note of caution applies here.

3. The Army number is artificially low since everyone there is on "scholarship".




 
ericatbucknell 
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Re: 05-06 basketball budgets released...
01-24-07 08:24 PM - Post#28225    
    In response to Bison137

the maximum value that a three person scholarship class can add to a budget is ~120000, and much less if need-based financial aid is taken off the top (which some schools may do and others may not). since our budget increased by about 400000, theres certainly a lot of money going toward other things.

right on re: lehigh (which lists about 5000000 more in general athletic expenses than us) and army.

also of interest: our mens sports recruiting budget increased from 124103 two years ago to 177064 last year. wrestling probably accounts for some of that increase, but a great improvement nonetheless.
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Bison137 
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Re: 05-06 basketball budgets released...
01-24-07 09:21 PM - Post#28226    
    In response to ericatbucknell

Quote:

the maximum value that a three person scholarship class can add to a budget is ~120000





I'll bet Jerry Tarkanian, Eddie Sutton, Jim Harrick etal had lots of three person scholarship classes that cost them more than $120,000.

Of course I'm not sure if there is a line in the budget for large packages of $100 bills.




 
bisonfan 
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Re: 05-06 basketball budgets released...
01-25-07 11:07 AM - Post#28227    
    In response to Bison137

I hope they are paying Flannery more than $56,294 per year because it wouldn't take much for another school to offer more than that.

 
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Re: 05-06 basketball budgets released...
01-25-07 02:50 PM - Post#28228    
    In response to bisonfan

Bisonfan,

Maybe I'm blind, or just mathematically challenged, but where are you coming up with the $56,294 figure?
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ericatbucknell 
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Re: 05-06 basketball budgets released...
01-25-07 03:28 PM - Post#28229    
    In response to BUPilot

Quote:

Bisonfan,

Maybe I'm blind, or just mathematically challenged, but where are you coming up with the $56,294 figure?




blind it is!

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/InstDetail.asp?CRITERIA=4

...then again, i have a gut instinct that pat is not only a full-time basketball coach (woohoo, $72851), but makes above the fte number, as well. just a hunch.
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Bison137 
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Re: 05-06 basketball budgets released...
01-25-07 03:54 PM - Post#28230    
    In response to BUPilot

Quote:

Bisonfan,

Maybe I'm blind, or just mathematically challenged, but where are you coming up with the $56,294 figure?




If you follow the link, you'll come to a screen where you can enter the name of any college. After reaching the Bucknell screen, then click on the upper tab for coaches' salaries.

That page shows the average head coach's salary to be $56,294 last year. However there are several things to keep in mind:

1. It is merely an average and Pat is our highest paid Head Coach.

2. We have a number of coaches who coach the men's and women's teams for their sport - track, cross country, swimming, tennis, and water polo - although judging by the count of sports it appears that track and cross country are combined into one sport. If that is correct then the golf coaching job must be considered only a 1/2 job, which would make sense since the coaches in that sport only coach either the men or the women, as opposed to equivalent sports where the coaches do both jobs. These joint men/women coaches' salaries are pro-rated into the men's and women's categories. Thus a more accurate average is the one for FTE's ("full-time equivalencies"), which is $72,851 for BU. That one takes the joint men's/women's coaching spots and allocates the money onto both sides.

3. The total money allocated to men's coaches' salaries is just under $620,000. As Eric has pointed out, there are few specific rules for this report so it is possible that some coaches receive other money that falls into other categories. Also I'm not sure whether benefits (which can be signficant $'s) are included. Additionally, it is possible that some coaches may have expense acccounts or the use of a car. If so, I don't know if that would count in the salary total.

4. As an example ONLY, this is one way that the Bucknell head coaching salaries could get to the $620,000 figure:

Basketball 150,000
Football 100,000
Soccer 58,000
Baseball 58,000
Lacrosse 58,000
Wrestling 56,000
Swimming 28,000 (men's half only - total salary for this example would be 56)
Water Polo 28,000 (men's half only etc)
Track/C-C 28,000 (men's half only etc)
Tennis 28,000 (men's half only etc)
Golf 28,000 (part-time job ?)

TOTAL 620,000


5. On the report, you can see that the difference between men's and women's Head Coach salaries is $72,850. With only a few exceptions, there are matching men's and women's teams. If we assume, on average, that those coaches of equivalent sport (other than basketball) receive the same amount of money, it leaves football, wrestling, and basketball on the men's side, compared to crew, field hockey, volleyball, and basketball on the women's side, to make up the difference. IF we assume that the crew, volleyball, and field hockey salaries equal football plus wrestling, then the $72,850 difference might be attributable to the difference between Pat's compensation and Kathy Fedorjaka. Again, this is all by way of example, as I do not know any real numbers.

6. The one thing that is certain, other than my numbers not being correct, is that not all of the coaches of sports other than football and basketball receive the same compensation, even though that's what I assumed in the above example. I'm sure longevity and success play a role in it, as well as the profile of the sport. I'd imagine that a baseball coach who has been there for 30 years makes more than a third year coach, for example.




 
Bill Lewis 
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Re: 05-06 basketball budgets released...
01-26-07 10:58 PM - Post#28231    
    In response to Bison137

I am not a college athletics compensation expert, but it seems to me that Bucknell accounts for the coaches' salaries the same way the US government accounts for some of its spending; namely, off-budget accounting.

 
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