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04-09-07 09:29 PM - Post#34444
It's ridiculously early and should be taken with an ungodly small grain of salt but Joe Lunardi's posted his first Bracketology for next year. He's got Holy Cross as the Patriot League representative and a 15 seed.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology
More than likely he's simply picking the defending league champions for leagues like the Patriot League.
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bison63
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Re: 2008 Bracketology
04-09-07 10:27 PM - Post#34445
In response to BUPilot
This guy need to get a life. What a geek!
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lancelink
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Re: 2008 Bracketology
04-09-07 10:35 PM - Post#34446
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I agree, it's more than likely a pro forma pick of the defending champion in a "one bid" league. However, the fact that he has the Patriot League representative dropping back to a 15 seed is disturbing. It just goes to show how little the past three years mean to the synchophants that follow the big money, semiprofessional major conference programs.
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SFlaQuaker
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Re: 2008 Bracketology
04-10-07 12:21 AM - Post#34447
In response to lancelink
Just for the record, he picked Cornell in the Ivies.
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M.Bison
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Re: 2008 Bracketology
04-10-07 12:32 AM - Post#34448
In response to lancelink
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I agree, it's more than likely a pro forma pick of the defending champion in a "one bid" league. However, the fact that he has the Patriot League representative dropping back to a 15 seed is disturbing. It just goes to show how little the past three years mean to the synchophants that follow the big money, semiprofessional major conference programs.
Or it just means that he's looking at all the big-time seniors in the conference this past year and making a reasonable guess that the PL's rep's seed will be lower than last year. I don't think HC(15) is unreasonable at all.
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BuckWild
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Re: 2008 Bracketology
04-10-07 09:36 AM - Post#34449
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When is the last time a team other than Princeton or Penn represented the Ivy League? Just wondering, I'm sure it has happened.
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Bison137
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Re: 2008 Bracketology
04-10-07 12:20 PM - Post#34450
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When is the last time a team other than Princeton or Penn represented the Ivy League? Just wondering, I'm sure it has happened.
I'm pretty sure it hasn't happened since 1988 when Cornell won the league. Yale tied the two P's a few years ago but lost in the playoff.
Next year, ON PAPER, Cornell could easily have the best Ivy team. They return a lot of talent, including a couple of very good rising sophs, and they also will get back the 2005-06 Ivy ROY, who missed virtually the whole season with a torn ACL. Penn, in contrast, graduates, three very good players, who I'm sure accounted for significantly more than half of their scoring, rebounding, and assists. We'll have to see if the returnees can raise their games.
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Re: 2008 Bracketology
04-10-07 12:29 PM - Post#34451
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When is the last time a team other than Princeton or Penn represented the Ivy League? Just wondering, I'm sure it has happened.
I'm pretty sure it hasn't happened since 1988 when Cornell won the league. Yale tied the two P's a few years ago but lost in the playoff.
Next year, ON PAPER, Cornell could easily have the best Ivy team. They return a lot of talent, including a couple of very good rising sophs, and they also will get back the 2005-06 Ivy ROY, who missed virtually the whole season with a torn ACL. Penn, in contrast, graduates, three very good players, who I'm sure accounted for significantly more than half of their scoring, rebounding, and assists. We'll have to see if the returnees can raise their games.
You are correct that Cornell was the last non Penn or Princeton team to represent the Ivy League in the tournament.
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BuckWild
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Re: 2008 Bracketology
04-10-07 02:41 PM - Post#34452
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That is further back than I expected. I decided to look it up and only 6 years since 1960 has a team other than Penn and Princeton either tied or won the league.
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jdb037@bucknell
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Re: 2008 Bracketology
04-10-07 04:09 PM - Post#34453
In response to BuckWild
My friend from Villanova sent me this article; watch out for Harvard in a couple years if this goes through.
http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/me...?p1=MEWell_Pos5
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SFlaQuaker
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Re: 2008 Bracketology
04-10-07 04:18 PM - Post#34454
In response to jdb037@bucknell
Why? What has he done at places he could recruit top players to make you think Harvard will be a force?
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jdb037@bucknell
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Re: 2008 Bracketology
04-10-07 05:23 PM - Post#34455
In response to SFlaQuaker
Well who will he be recruiting against? This guy played at Duke and has coached for big time schools, I think people will want to play for him. It's not like he didnt have any success at Michigan.
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SFlaQuaker
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Re: 2008 Bracketology
04-10-07 06:02 PM - Post#34456
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Oh please, considering who he brought into Michigan, his "success" was incredibly disappointing. Recruiting players is only half the battle, and I'm far from convinced he can outrecruit Penn (or even Cornell these days).
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jdb037@bucknell
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Re: 2008 Bracketology
04-10-07 07:38 PM - Post#34457
In response to SFlaQuaker
OK, I agree that his stint at Michigan wasnt as successful as people had hoped, but he still showed the ability to win at a school in a much more nationally acclaimed basketball league. Penn basketball isnt exactly on the rise either. Sellouts arent guaranteed anymore, losing a very good senior class, and the Big 5 is no longer a selling point since the teams aren't what they used to be. Nextly, some black players would rather play for a black coach, and a coach that has coached at Michigan and Seton Hall is a selling point for black seniors in high school. I realize there are other black coaches in the league, but have they had the same experience as Amaker? Losing Durphy doesnt help your recruiting either. Lastly, Harvard is Harvard. A nationally known university and this is not to say that Penn isnt, but it will never be at the level that Harvard is.
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SFlaQuaker
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Re: 2008 Bracketology
04-10-07 07:45 PM - Post#34458
In response to jdb037@bucknell
First of all, his name is Dunphy. Second of all, Miller seems to have a hell of a recruiting class coming in this year. The Big 5 is still a big selling point, especially for local kids. As is the Palestra. So on those points, know what you're talking about before you start making claims. Penn basketball may not be on the rise, but its not on the downslope either.
As for Amaker, what did he show the ability to win? Just enough games to not make the NCAA tourney? If anything, Harvard being Harvard might hurt his chances to win...will admissions be helpful?
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jdb037@bucknell
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Re: 2008 Bracketology
04-10-07 08:42 PM - Post#34459
In response to SFlaQuaker
The Palestra is still a historic place to play, but like I said, sellouts arent guaranteed anymore so it doesnt have as much of an impact. If you believe that Miller can bring in better kids than Amaker then I will shut up and let you have that opinion, but thats something that we will have to wait and see. Maybe I got the wrong impression on the Big 5 because I looked at it from my friends point of view who is at Nova. But I don't think I'm wrong when I say that the teams arent what they used to be.
Michigan won 22 games this year and finished the regular season with an RPI of 54; that should count for something.
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pennhoops
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Re: 2008 Bracketology
04-10-07 09:06 PM - Post#34460
In response to jdb037@bucknell
NCAA Tournament appearances since 1999
Penn: 7
Michigan: 0
That should count for something.
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SFlaQuaker
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Re: 2008 Bracketology
04-10-07 09:16 PM - Post#34461
In response to jdb037@bucknell
Sellouts would be great, but its still a great stadium, far superior to any other stadium in the ivies. It's definitly a huge advantage over Harvard. The Big 5 might not be what it used to be, but its still solid and Big 5 games still have an amazing atmosphere (and do in fact sell out the Palestra). And we always recruit some very good local kids, to whom the Palestra and Big 5 are big draws.
And I never argued that Amaker couldn't improve the quality of player at Harvard, but rather I questioned what about his previous results make you think he's going to come in and be a force in the league. Nothing you've presented has done much to convince me.
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BUPilot
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Re: 2008 Bracketology
04-10-07 09:41 PM - Post#34462
In response to SFlaQuaker
Intra-Ivy league smack talk on the Bucknell board in a thread originally about an unconscionably early 2008 bracketology post by St. Joseph's University's Joe Lunardi. You've just got to love the way these conversations can spin off into a weird tangent.
To try and draw things back at least a little bit - would our Palestra based friends want to see a new home & home contract between Penn & Bucknell started? Not sure when the last year was that the Bison played Penn in basketball but being in Philly I'd enjoy seeing that series resume - especially if the Yale contract has expired.
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SFlaQuaker
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Re: 2008 Bracketology
04-10-07 09:52 PM - Post#34463
In response to BUPilot
We actually played just 2 years ago, and I for one would love to see a series resume.
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