Penn94
PhD Student
Posts: 1461
Loc: Dallas, Texas
Reg: 11-21-04
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03-09-09 11:17 PM - Post#60746
In response to Pete Smith
I think a lot of people have been overly harsh on the quality of the league this year.
Outside of Brown, which unquestionably lost a lot from last year (and went 3-11 versus 'hopeful memory' 9-5?), everyone else was about the same or maybe a little better. And before you get apoplectic about Penn being historically terrible, I think - and I believe the stats would bear this out - they are 'about the same' as last year.
Pete. The league stunk last year too. So congrats. The league is just as bad this year as last. The fact that the champion went 11-3 instead of 14-0 with absolutely no quality wins (unlike last year when Cornell beat Siena) makes this season even worse. Whether Penn is slightly better than last year or not is irrelevant. It's like discussing shades of cr*p.
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SomeGuy
Professor
Posts: 6413
Reg: 11-22-04
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03-10-09 10:18 AM - Post#60754
In response to skiba34
Scott had a better shooting percentage than Matsui this year, but I don't think he's a better 3 point shooter. Matsui hit nearly twice as many 3s as Scott this year. From an opponent's perspective, I'd say that I'd rather see Scott taking 3s than driving, and Matsui should never get an open look from out there. If he does, there's been a breakdown of some kind.
As for the injuries, I still don't see it. Harvard lost their 4 for the season, and he's better than any of your 4s who got hurt (and missed fewer games). Cornell lost their PG for as many games as you lost your PG for, and again, their guy is the better player. Penn lost two starters for the entire season.
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mrjames
Professor
Posts: 6062
Loc: Montclair, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
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03-10-09 11:19 AM - Post#60767
In response to SomeGuy
Harvard lost their 4 for the season, and he's better than any of your 4s who got hurt (and missed fewer games).
Yeah, using Magnarelli's 2008 stats, his offensive rating of 110.9 would have been 5th in the Ivies, his Off Reb% of 8.8 would have ranked 4th in the Ivies, his Def Reb% of 18.2 would have placed him 5th in the Ivies, his Blk% of 3.2 would have been 12th in the league, and his TS% of 60.5 would have been 3rd in the Ivies.
A pretty massive loss for a team in desperate need of a frontcourt presence...
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The Cornell Basketball Blog
Freshman
Posts: 97
Reg: 12-17-08
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03-10-09 03:04 PM - Post#60788
In response to SomeGuy
Scott had a better shooting percentage than Matsui this year, but I don't think he's a better 3 point shooter. Matsui hit nearly twice as many 3s as Scott this year. From an opponent's perspective, I'd say that I'd rather see Scott taking 3s than driving, and Matsui should never get an open look from out there. If he does, there's been a breakdown of some kind.
As for the injuries, I still don't see it. Harvard lost their 4 for the season, and he's better than any of your 4s who got hurt (and missed fewer games). Cornell lost their PG for as many games as you lost your PG for, and again, their guy is the better player. Penn lost two starters for the entire season.
Cornell lost Dale for 8 games (9 if you count his brief stint against Minnesota where he was rushed back too soon)).
Gore was out for 20+ games.
Cornell also played this weekend with Reeves (another starter).
Big Red return all five starters (Foote, Tyler, Wittman, Dale and Reeves) plus the top 2 reserves in Wire and Wroblewski (Kreefer the only loss in the 8 man rotation).
Cornell adds Mark Coury and Max Groebe, two guys who the program believes are All-Ivy caliber next season.
Barring health issues, the other 7 teams can begin to make plans for trying to get to the CBI.
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mrjames
Professor
Posts: 6062
Loc: Montclair, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
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03-10-09 03:33 PM - Post#60792
In response to internetter
Are there any projections for next year's all-Ivy?
First Team All-Ivy 09-10
G Louis Dale
G Geoff Reeves
F Ryan Wittman
F Alex Tyler
C Jeff Foote
Second Team All-Ivy 09-10
G Chris Wroblewski
G Max Groebe
G Adam Wire
F Mark Coury
F Peter McMillan
ROY - Peter McMillan
Co-POYs - Ryan Wittman, Louis Dale and BRF
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Old Bear
Postdoc
Posts: 3998
Reg: 11-23-04
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Will Columbia take it all next year?
03-10-09 04:40 PM - Post#60799
In response to mrjames
Never mind.
Edited by Old Bear on 03-10-09 04:41 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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The Cornell Basketball Blog
Freshman
Posts: 97
Reg: 12-17-08
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03-10-09 05:25 PM - Post#60807
In response to mrjames
Are there any projections for next year's all-Ivy?
First Team All-Ivy 09-10
G Louis Dale
G Geoff Reeves
F Ryan Wittman
F Alex Tyler
C Jeff Foote
Second Team All-Ivy 09-10
G Chris Wroblewski
G Max Groebe
G Adam Wire
F Mark Coury
F Peter McMillan
ROY - Peter McMillan
Co-POYs - Ryan Wittman, Louis Dale and BRF
Looks good to me.
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pennhoops
Postdoc
Posts: 2470
Reg: 11-21-04
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03-11-09 10:26 AM - Post#60857
In response to mrjames
Did BRF pay this time or are you just bending over out of your own good nature?
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Columbia 37P6
Postdoc
Posts: 2180
Reg: 02-14-06
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03-13-09 06:25 PM - Post#61147
In response to skiba34
According to The Cornell Basketball Blog all five of Cornell's starters and seven key reserves, including the Rookie of the Year, are returning next season. Then. according to the information on the Blog, Cornell is adding two big-time transfers from the University of Kentucky and Boston University, as well as four or five very promising freshman recruits. If the information on the Blog is correct, and I assume it is, how can anyone reasonably expect a competitive Ivy League race next season?
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The Lion King
Junior
Posts: 257
Reg: 11-10-06
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03-13-09 09:20 PM - Post#61152
In response to Columbia 37P6
No question that Cornell is a strong favorite next year, but they were supposed to be better this year than last, and they won three fewer league games. So you never know. They have a lot of good players on their roster, even after deducting 50% for BRF hype, but they can only put five on the floor at a time.
Here's how I look at it: Columbia has played some close games against Cornell the last few years, though it seems like they haven't won one since the Clinton administration. Suppose that this year they had split with Cornell, and furthermore that they had held on and beaten Penn. That would have left Cornell at 10-4 and Columbia at 9-5.
So if (a) Columbia, with two big-time transfers and two major players coming back healthy, improves a little more than Cornell does, and (b) Columbia finally beats Cornell and gets some lucky breaks in a couple other games, they could manage a tie. I'm not saying all this is likely, but it's not inconceivable.
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Old Bear
Postdoc
Posts: 3998
Reg: 11-23-04
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03-14-09 11:25 AM - Post#61162
In response to The Lion King
Love the optimism King.
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Howard Gensler
Postdoc
Posts: 4141
Reg: 11-21-04
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03-14-09 10:21 PM - Post#61184
In response to Columbia 37P6
According to The Cornell Basketball Blog all five of Cornell's starters and seven key reserves, including the Rookie of the Year, are returning next season. Then. according to the information on the Blog, Cornell is adding two big-time transfers from the University of Kentucky and Boston University, as well as four or five very promising freshman recruits. If the information on the Blog is correct, and I assume it is, how can anyone reasonably expect a competitive Ivy League race next season?
Fortunately for the rest of the League, Cornell can't play 18 all-League players at once - and some poor Big Red stud at the end of the bench may be shut out of Honorable Mention next year.
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The Lion King
Junior
Posts: 257
Reg: 11-10-06
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Re: optimism
03-14-09 10:54 PM - Post#61185
In response to Old Bear
Not sure if you're being sarcastic, Old Bear, but it works either way. When you're a Columbia fan, you learn to be boundlessly and perpetually hopeful, but not to actually believe any of it.
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Old Bear
Postdoc
Posts: 3998
Reg: 11-23-04
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Re: optimism
03-16-09 10:01 AM - Post#61287
In response to The Lion King
I do understand.
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