Can we at least wait until we have played half or three quarters of the games?

If DPOY isn't Bruner I'll be stunned

Can we at least wait until we have played half or three quarters of the games?

• welcometothejungle Said:

I don't think this is a one horse race. Justin Bassey is absolutely a top candidate for this award. He has to be. This will almost certainly come down to how these two teams fare against each other.

Yale has the best defense in the league and Bruner's versatility and length make him one of their best defenders. I haven't seen Bruner this year yet but I also haven't seen a player as consistently impactful on the defensive end as Bassey so far this season.

Just saw game highlights, starting with the lob and dunk to Baker for Harvard's 7th/8th points in the opening minutes Bruner didn't elevate.

Announcers had it right, push the tempo so Atkinson and Bruner must play in transition and can't set up.

Not as big a brain lockup as Yale allowing the clock to expire after Swain missed the foul shot with 2.5 seconds left. An immediate foul puts Harvard on the line with a chance to go up 3 at most. Still a chance for Yale, but they were too stunned to think.

It is not clear he is the best center in the league this year.
The numbers speak more to Penn's roster and system than the quality of Brodeur's play.

The numbers speak more to Penn's roster and system than the quality of Brodeur's play.

Dudley, like many bigs, wasn't very good until his Senior year, Broduer has been good for 4.

Not at the same level as Thomforde, Dudley, Mueller,
Goodrich.
Again, not sure he is better than Atkinson, Lewis or
aririgouzah.
So, yes, I think ludicrous is the word.
And I have seen him in person or on television at
least 10 times. A good player who makes the most of
His talent, bit not an elite all- timer.

• LocalTiger Said:

Isn't it Inigo Montoya who says that?

By the way, three posts up, I was reprimanded because " the point of discussion was whether AJ was the best of all time."
I don't think I created a straw man.

Why does this issue even matter? All that matters is winning the title. If they give an award to someone else, that's fine. We all know that AJ is the greatest big man ever at Penn. That's all that matters.

The award is POYear. I think people are mixing topics.
I am not saying Richmond is an all- time great either.
I am saying that this year, he outplayed AJ twice, and that led to wins that matter this year. The fact that he did not play
Much is first two years is not relevant in the POY discussion.

I guess we are not moving on. Line me up with professor in
The view that one stat trumps the others. Richmond is 4-0
against AJ in last two years.
AJ is good but a "compiler." Whose numbers may overstate his value in my view. he scored at Jadwin when Richmond was on the bench.
And Quad, I did go,to Princeton, but I don't need research skills to watch the games.
From the beginning, I said AJ is in the mix for POY. Let's
see what the next three weeks brings.
But , again I think it is a real stretch to make him an all-time great.,

AJ is good but a "compiler." Whose numbers may overstate his value in my view.

(just like the silly made FG record that Brodeur broke last weekend - he takes a ton of shots!).

• iogyhufi Said:

Yeah, what a silly thing to say that Pete Rose holds the all-time MLB hits record when he made more outs than anyone else. Clearly shows nothing about Rose.

Really?

I'd also say calling Brodeur's performance against Yale "picking apart" is, uh, selective remembering. He was actually shooting below his average in the post. Yale elected to let him shoot 3s since, y'know, he hadn't made one in a month. Clearly, that didn't work out, but I don't think I'd say that "made one good pass to Eddie Scott out of a double team and also hit open jumpers that he normally misses" constitutes dominating Yale's defense. Sometimes guys beat the scouting report, and - credit to Brodeur - he did that on Saturday.

Brodeur's FG% is unexceptional for a center. For reference, he's got the worst 2FG% of any of the big 5 Ivy centers (behind Aririguzoh, Atkinson, Lewis, and Knight in that order).

• iogyhufi Said:

Context-free shooting %s are the best shooting %s.

And even there, you’re misleading. Brodeur and Knight are separated by .001% Indistinguishable.

Now tell us about the usage rates, assist rates, and minutes rates of all these guys and get back to us.

While I am venting, maybe Broderick deserves consideration in a wide open heat, but the idea that he is the best big man in
Ivy history is ludicrous.

• Chip Bayers Said:

And he doesn't even know the ONLY Big 5 Ivy Center is AJ!

Oy vey, this thread is getting totally out of hand. You know that Ted Cruz and Lyle Menendez are coming next.

Eh, I don't think it's a bad sign long-term for the league. Most of the teams are pretty experienced this year - all of Harvard's starters are seniors,

• iogyhufi Said:

Umm, I think Kirkwood was ROY last year.

Are you confusing Penn’s Paul Chambers with the NBA’s Tom Chambers? Paul was a point guard — and a small one at that. Not a big man by any stretch of the imagination.

Most of us on the Penn board are even more embarrassed about the current occupant at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue than you are.

On this point you and I certainly agree.

His son-in-law somehow managed to go from the Frisch School to Harvard. He was no brilliant scholar.

You can be darned sure that a large donation from Daddy, now in jail, had everything to do with that.

Can we tone down the flame war? This is over the top, even for me.

Oh, and Dingle (2pts) needs to look over his shoulder, Ledlum (15pt, 6rbs, 2blocks) is gaining on him.

That’s why I figured this would be the year. Hard to play the “he has the best players” card if he’s got a couple second-teamers/HM and maybe one of the contenders for DPOY. The team has a ton of depth, but how he’s managed that depth has been the reason he should get it. Since the last time Bryce played 20 mins in a game (vs USC), Harvard is 15-3 and is about a half-win above bubble. That’s pretty nuts.